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  • #51
    Originally posted by Simurgh View Post
    Ok, now this is interesting =)

    Do you know what are carbohydrate (chemically) and what are lipids?

    Could you please explain to me how two totally different chemical compounds can be transformed to each other?

    ONLY FAT IS STORED AS FAT!

    I am up for a civil conversation and discussion.
    Beyonce ate just maple syrup (I can't think of anything that contains more carbs) to lose weight.
    I'm not sure if you are trolling but here goes a quick explanation. A carbohydrate is metabolized, or broken down, mainly into glucose which is the immediate energy that our body uses to carry on for the most part. Extra carbohydrates can be stored as glycogen (which is a longer term storage type of sugar and stored mainly in muscles and the liver, the basis of carb-loading) or fat which is the longest term source of energy. They are not completely different chemical compounds, but you are right in the sense that a catalyzed reaction has to occur, but it largely comes down to the energy needed by the body at any given time and the availability of it from different sources. I hope this helps.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by Simurgh View Post
      What I am saying is the simple fact. It's like stating Newton law. Chemistry is the exact science

      What makes people confused is the effect of carbs (as they are rarely taken alone).

      But saying that fats actually turn to fats is just like saying my weight on Moon is the same as on Earth
      Okay, you're definitely trolling.

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      • #53
        I thought this was pretty much common knowledge. The more you inshape the better your metobalism is, the better your metobalism is the more it burns calories not doing anything. If you are in great shape you will realize you can eat anything and you wont even raise in weight minus the few pounds everyone fluctate depending on what time of the day it is. People have their unique needs, my caloric deficit (meaning the calories I will have to eat to lose weight) will be different then yours, why because our metabolism rate will be defferent, our work out regiment (calories burned) will be different and different level of intensity.

        how to lose weight:
        basically you want to lose weight you eat less then what you need calories wise to maintain your current body size (weight). example- you need 1500 calories to not lose weight, down that intake to 800-1000 calories and you will start to lose weight.

        Want to Maintain you current weight:
        Basically you want to not change your body, not bulk up or lose weight you have to eat your targetted calories for maintaing. example- you need 1500 calories to stay the same eat that amount every day.

        You want to bulk:
        You want to bulk then just intake more calories then needed for maintaing and you will bulk eventually depending on how much more calories then needed you are eating.

        The most important thing in someone diet to me is FAT and PROTIEN. you cant lose fat with out eating fat and you cant maintaing your muscle with out PROTIEN.
        Last edited by ΣL CHAPO; 04-30-2013, 03:33 PM.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1520 View Post
          It's not that simple, there are people because of chemical unbalances or thiroid issues that gain too much weight or never gain weight.

          My brother is like that, he eats literally anything he wants, never works out and and never gains a pound.

          He doesn't have any medical problem but just because of his metabolism, he never gains a literal pound.
          My brother is like that too. He looks like a boxer who would have trained for 2 or 3 hours a day ready for a weigh in and he never works out at all. He probably has like 4 or 5% body fat, no kidding and he weighs like 140.

          I accumulate fat around my gut if I don't keep my cardio up but I splurge on the weekends (beer and pizza). During the week though, I take 3-4 protein shakes a day, oatmeal in the morning, and snack on peanuts, carrots, and broccoli, etc. in between breakfast lunch and dinner. If I keep my meals small and keep the count up to around 4-6 meals a day, I stay hungry all day long.

          If I put in a good day's worth or cardio, say 7 miles or so, I continually lose weight for like 2 or 3 days after the run as long as I keep my food intake up. Probably at like 8.5% body fat right now.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by charger56 View Post
            I'm not sure if you are trolling but here goes a quick explanation. A carbohydrate is metabolized, or broken down, mainly into glucose which is the immediate energy that our body uses to carry on for the most part. Extra carbohydrates can be stored as glycogen (which is a longer term storage type of sugar and stored mainly in muscles and the liver, the basis of carb-loading) or fat which is the longest term source of energy. They are not completely different chemical compounds, but you are right in the sense that a catalyzed reaction has to occur, but it largely comes down to the energy needed by the body at any given time and the availability of it from different sources. I hope this helps.
            Carbohydrate do not convert to fat. Not in the normal healthy body. Lipids (fats) and carbohydrate are VERY different compounds (I am happy to go into the chemistry if you prefer).

            I was very clear about the EFFECT of carbs but it is not DIRECT CONVERSION to FATS by any mean.

            Carbs can't normally be stored in human's body for longer than a few days.
            Body uses fats or crabs as the prime energy source. When there is no carbs fats are used. So if one eats too many carbs, fats are intact and in contrast to carbs, fats can be stored in human's body for the long period of time (in form of body fat).

            Eating fruits and vegetables (very rich in carbs and low in fats) won't make you fat. There is just no material to be stored. carb can't be stored for the longer period and it CAN'T be CONVERTED to FAT (unless there is some disease).

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            • #56
              Originally posted by DoubleMM View Post
              yes, at the end of the day your body breaks these foods down as carbs, protein, fats. if you're getting your daily nutrional needs with the right vitamin take, there is nothing that supports these foods as unhealthy. these foods are broken down the same as anything else.

              I have lost 20lbs for the summer doing no cardio and eating ice cream or pizza or whatver I want as long as I hit my caloric needs I lose weight. PERIOD.
              Everybody knows that if you eat less calories than you burn you lose weight - it's a ****ing tautology. Yes you can eat pizza and ice cream and lose weight of course. But you could also lose weight eating saturated fat from meat. It wouldn't be healthy though - same as pizza.

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              • #57
                FM Jr. not only lucky as hell with his metabolism -- in addition to this he's a professional monster...

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                • #58
                  It's more about a body composure than a numeric weight.

                  One can weight 150lb and have more fat than one weighting 200lb.

                  Normally people first lose fat (by caloric deficit) while trying to maintain the same lean mass (muscles). After that one builds the muscles. It's very hard to do both simultaneously.

                  It's very important to get the right ratio of fats, carbs and proteins. It's not just calories burned - 500... That won't give you a nice looking body.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by mathed View Post
                    My brother is like that too. He looks like a boxer who would have trained for 2 or 3 hours a day ready for a weigh in and he never works out at all. He probably has like 4 or 5% body fat, no kidding and he weighs like 140.

                    I accumulate fat around my gut if I don't keep my cardio up but I splurge on the weekends (beer and pizza). During the week though, I take 3-4 protein shakes a day, oatmeal in the morning, and snack on peanuts, carrots, and broccoli, etc. in between breakfast lunch and dinner. If I keep my meals small and keep the count up to around 4-6 meals a day, I stay hungry all day long.

                    If I put in a good day's worth or cardio, say 7 miles or so, I continually lose weight for like 2 or 3 days after the run as long as I keep my food intake up. Probably at like 8.5% body fat right now.
                    you do know cardio (running) only burns calories that you run only and only like a hour or two afterwards. If your goal is to burn fat I would say to lift heavy, get a weight lifting program going, it is way more effective at burning calories then cardio can ever be, and when your done your body still burn calories up to 36 hours later.

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Simurgh View Post
                      Ok, now this is interesting =)

                      Do you know what are carbohydrate (chemically) and what are lipids?

                      Could you please explain to me how two totally different chemical compounds can be transformed to each other?

                      ONLY FAT IS STORED AS FAT!

                      I am up for a civil conversation and discussion.
                      Beyonce ate just maple syrup (I can't think of anything that contains more carbs) to lose weight.
                      There are two things that people are ignorant about on here.

                      1) Weigh ins and dehydration

                      2) Nutrition

                      You are ignorant about the latter. Anybody who has studied biology at even a low level knows that eating too much of anything makes you fat. I'll explain to you how carbohydrates - and anything for that matter - can be transformed into fat. Although fats, carbohydrates and proteins differ in structure, they contain the same elements. This means that the body breaks carbohydrates and proteins down and assimilates the resulting stuff into fats. It's simple really: If you eat 3500 calories more than you burn, you will gain a pound - perhaps fat or perhaps in muscle but in most situations it will be fat. Your logic implies that eating 3500 calories of carbohydrate doesn't do anything because it isn't protein (muscle) or fat lol. I'm an undergraduate economics student at Cambridge in the UK not a biologist. However, I have a biologist flatmate - and to check I'm not being ignorant I asked them if I was right and they said I was! Learn before you speak friend.

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