So what exactly won Canelo the fight???

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  • Vasyl’s dad
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    #81
    Originally posted by 4Corners
    Well....Rios didn't out land Alvarado, and Alvarado didn't take off 2/3 of the round. And Rios didn't out land Abril.

    When your opponent is taking off as much time as Canelo was, yes you can out throw someone and win. And I LOVE how people are acting like Trout landed no punches. He only landed 30 more punches and threw 300 more.
    When scoring punches, you score on how clean they are, not by how many you land or throw. So um,

    you're going to have to take a seat in the back and write 100 sentences.

    "Punches are scored by how clean they are, not by how many were thrown or landed"

    Begin.

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    • The Evil 1-2
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      #82
      Originally posted by Cupocity303

      This is just not what happened. Must be a post from an alternative Universe or something.

      Ring Generalship was Canelo all day. If I had to been one guy of the two, I would've been Canelo. He took less punishment and he even dished out more, in terms of effectiveness, if not being busier.
      You failed to adequately respond to any of supplementary points, which point to Trout owning Ring Generalship.

      Trout was the busier fighter. He landed more. With pressure later in the fight, he put Canelo in positions he didn't initiate, thus owning the real estate in the ring.

      Less punishment? Based on what OBJECTIVE analysis? He didn't throw as much. In addition to this, if you think that one KD was the sole indicator of Canelo dishing out more punishment, than you're letting that one KD skew your perceptions...

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      • cixthree
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        #83
        Originally posted by 4Corners
        What did he do in the fight that made him win in your opinion???

        Did he land more punches?
        Did he control the pace of the fight?
        Did he out work Trout?
        Did he hurt Trout and land so many more harder punches that it negates Trout throwing more the whole fight?

        What won him the rounds???
        The perception that he was the stronger of the 2 won him the fight.
        Neither fighter did more than the other, but Canelos punches were harder (And fewer)
        Trouts work was constant, but not as impressive. It was Trouts fight if he had done MORE, it was Canelos fight just by showing up.
        In a perfect world with perfect scoring Trout wins (Boxing, I hit you more than you hit me)
        But in the world we are in, Canelo hit Trout harder than Trout hit him.

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          #84
          Originally posted by 4Corners
          The only thing that was true about your prediction was that Canelo's defense by bob and weaving in there was underrated. I'll give you that.

          He didn't out work Trout, and wasn't able to overwhelm Trout at all. The fight was fought at Trout's pace the whole time. When Canelo came forward, Trout turned him and got back to his jab. When Canelo moved backward, he did next to nothing and/or laid on the ropes and let Trout tee off, while not returning fire hardly ever.
          Things that were true in my post:

          1. Canelo's defense was underrated.
          2. Canelo is very patient, not some brawler, never got ****** in the fight.
          3. Trout's only chance to win on paper is by decision only; while Canelo had a puncher's chance and could have by decision.
          4. Even with Trout's only chance being to outbox Canelo, evern that would be hard, which it was.

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            #85
            Originally posted by -Kev-
            Please, don't ever compare what Bernard Hopkins does in the ring to the way Trout fights.

            First of all, Bernard Hopkins' defense in his last 5 fights [And whole career for that matter], makes Trout look like Arturo Gatti.

            Secondly, Hopkins clearly wins his fights, and clearly lands the most meaningful punches in his fights.

            3. Hopkins is not a jab queen, he throws it out there for Boxing 101 purposes but doesn't rely on them to actually win fights on "activity", just to set up better punches, but the guy throws straight right hands like hell.

            Trout is no where near the level of a Hopkins, Mayweather, Ward, Rigondeaux, Wlad, or Marquez.

            He reminds me more of Paulie Maliggnagi. Seriously. Don't ever mention Hopkins and Trout in the same sentence again.
            Excuse me sir, quit making straw man arguments. I never said that Trout was a B-Hop level fighter. Way to completely ignore the topic at hand...

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              #86
              Originally posted by The Evil 1-2
              You failed to adequately respond to any of supplementary points, which point to Trout owning Ring Generalship.

              Trout was the busier fighter. He landed more. With pressure later in the fight, he put Canelo in positions he didn't initiate, thus owning the real estate in the ring.

              Less punishment? Based on what OBJECTIVE analysis? He didn't throw as much. In addition to this, if you think that one KD was the sole indicator of Canelo dishing out more punishment, than you're letting that one KD skew your perceptions...
              Landed more jabs, sure he did.

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                #87
                Originally posted by The Evil 1-2
                You failed to adequately respond to any of supplementary points, which point to Trout owning Ring Generalship.

                Trout was the busier fighter. He landed more. With pressure later in the fight, he put Canelo in positions he didn't initiate, thus owning the real estate in the ring.

                Less punishment? Based on what OBJECTIVE analysis? He didn't throw as much. In addition to this, if you think that one KD was the sole indicator of Canelo dishing out more punishment, than you're letting that one KD skew your perceptions...
                How exactly did Trout control the pace and style of the fight? By throwing worthless jabs? You got cats in here saying Canelo took time off and only fought 30 seconds of each round. That right there is saying Canelo controlled the pace and style of fight seeing as how when Canelo wanted to, he upped the action of the fight and landed the more meaningful blows.

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                  #88
                  Originally posted by cixthree
                  In a perfect world with perfect scoring Trout wins (Boxing, I hit you more than you hit me)
                  So "perfect scoring" doesn't take into account the damage inflicted by the punches thrown?

                  Doesn't sound so perfect to me.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by cixthree
                    The perception that he was the stronger of the 2 won him the fight.
                    Neither fighter did more than the other, but Canelos punches were harder (And fewer)
                    Trouts work was constant, but not as impressive. It was Trouts fight if he had done MORE, it was Canelos fight just by showing up.
                    In a perfect world with perfect scoring Trout wins (Boxing, I hit you more than you hit me)
                    But in the world we are in, Canelo hit Trout harder than Trout hit him.

                    Completely wrong. Its about who lands the cleaner punches, not the most.

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                    • cupocity303
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                      #90
                      Originally posted by The Evil 1-2
                      You failed to adequately respond to any of supplementary points, which point to Trout owning Ring Generalship.
                      No, not at all. I didn't fail, I just gave the much more simple, common sense answer as to what transpired in that ring, which was visible to every eye watching.

                      Not some phony esoteric, mambo jambo, would-be pseudo nonsense. In plain terms, he outslicked the advertised slick boxer and put him on his ass to boost.

                      He slipped punches like he was Pernel Whitaker's, less athletic bastard child conceived in Mexico, to a white Mexican woman. And he landed clean, visible to the eye punches in spurts. Good enough for a close victory with the added knockdown.

                      That's all there is to it.

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