Sugar Ray Robinson vs the Modern Era. Not as easy as we think.

[Tim2daresq]

Floyd > Pea, better?

That's your opinion, and I don't agree with it, but that's your opinion, so yes, better.

[Pacquiao'd]

Floyd is not the defensive fighter Sweet Pea was, not by a long shot. Yes Mayweather is excellent defensively but Whitaker had unnatural ability. The problem Floyd would have is SRR's work rate and power. Floyd fights smart...SRR fought smart, had the athletic ability of Jones and was a murderous puncher.

Peas defense was strictly avoiding punching while Floyd does that plus much more. H2H Floyd Beats Pea. He hits harder, mounts an attack from his defense as well as being offensive. LIke I said, FLoyd > Pea. And if Pea has a chance against SRR, Floyd has a better chance.

FLoyd cuts EVERYONEs work rate so you need to come with something better than that

[boliodogs]

But at welterweight SRR did not lose one fight out of over 100 fights by KO/TKO, not till going to light heavyweight did he suffer a tko

That's true. Robinson never lost a welterweight fight and he had an excellent chin and only officially lost by TKO at light heavyweight and it was heat exhaustion not punches that caused that. I was just pointing out that an average punching middleweight knocked welterweight Robinson out in Robinson's prime and Robinson was saved from a KO loss on his record by the bell.

[Big_L]

jake lamotta beat him in his prime. i don't see anybody on that listed that couldn't beat lamotta (except margarito). i wouldn't pick any of those guys to beat SRR but I wouldn't say they couldn't either. i think SRR is a little overrated. he was wild and could be dropped. i would give Trinidad the best shot at beating him.

[boliodogs]

Robinson never lost a welterweight fight but he did have two draws and three split decision wins as a welterweight.

[Jc8804]

Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest Welterweight of all times and it's not even close. That being said, despite the fact that I think he beats EVERYONE in the modern era (90's-Current) I feel like a lot of these modern elites will give him a good fight.

His defense wasn't great, at times he does get lured into slugfests and he does get hit on a regular basis by lesser fighters. His hands are often carried low and jabs do get through more against him than against some of the other ATG Welters.

Of course he negates all of that by having a great offense,very good boxing skills, tremendous will power and he got one of the ATG Chins in the history of the sport. It is almost impossible to knock him out at 147, hence his lack of emphasize on defense for stretches simply because his chin can take whatever is dished out.



He BEATS everyone from 1990-current at 147-154. I am curious as to who will give him a 'tough fight'. At 147-154

Out of

Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Manny Pacquaio
Felix Trinidad
Pernell Whitaker
Vernon Forrest
Fernando Vargas
Paul Williams
Ike Quartey
Antonio Margarito

You do realize all the modern guys learn their moves based off SRR right ?
Like guys of the 40's learned off jack johnson

No one today would do squat,these guys now cherry pick for a reason,its called a watered down era

[-Kev-]

No one said he wouldn't lose a round, but he would beat every single one of those fighters.

No one mentioned having to go through them one after the other. With injuries, and an accumulation of punishment, I'm sure he'd eventually lose to the last guy he'd have to face, depending on which fighter that was, but in a pure H2H, he wouldn't lose to a damn one of them.

I wish there was complete-fight, full 10 round footage of his fights against Jose Basora [Draw], and Henry Brimm [Draw].

Look at Randy Turpin using minimal foot movement and a bit of countering, taking steps back and making Robinson lunge in to punch.



You're telling me Robinson goes undefeated against the likes of prime Whitaker, Mayweather, De La Hoya?

[Barry Halls]

Out of

Oscar De La Hoya
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Manny Pacquaio
Felix Trinidad
Pernell Whitaker
Vernon Forrest
Fernando Vargas
Paul Williams
Ike Quartey
Antonio Margarito

He's an underdog to go through all of those undefeated.

[Jc8804]

Lol. Its like saying ali beats jack johnson..

Try this
Watch jack johnson and everyone from his era

Then watch alis. ,then think,how did they learn that and who taught them???

If the 40's, 50's 60's. and 70's,and 80's dont happen how would the fighters of the 90's and current look in style ????

Floyd sr. Was average ,so he taught his son his mistakes. It took the 70' to current to get floyds style to have success as is...thats 40 years plus

Let me know if i lost you

[Jc8804]

Turpin was part of a tour. That ray faught every two weeks vs top 15 opponents
Ray wasnt recovering like a superhuman after 6 fights in 12 weeks and looked sluggish vs turpin,id love to see the list do that