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  • JAB5239
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    #211
    Originally posted by Weltschmerz
    ha ha, it's so typical of you teaming up and resorting to petty insults!

    Seriously, don't you have anything better? Man up.

    I made a reasonable thread for sober discussion, and you're all over the place as usual with usual Klitschko bashing.

    You need to make your own John Ruiz ATG thread.
    Insults and Klit bashing? I've shown exactly why Vits is not an all time great. If we use your standards that you have to call Ruiz a great also. I'm not all over the place, I've just put you in a spot where you have to admit your foolish double standards or admit Vits doesn't belong on a heavyweight top 20 list. Its why you cannot debate me on their resumes. And since when do I need to team up with anyone? Sorry, but most see you as a no nothing nuthugger and conspiracy theorist who has little knowledge of anything he talks about. Man up and compare their best wins, son!

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    • Weltschmerz
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      #212
      Originally posted by JAB5239
      Insults and Klit bashing? I've shown exactly why Vits is not an all time great. If we use your standards that you have to call Ruiz a great also. I'm not all over the place, I've just put you in a spot where you have to admit your foolish double standards or admit Vits doesn't belong on a heavyweight top 20 list. Its why you cannot debate me on their resumes. And since when do I need to team up with anyone? Sorry, but most see you as a no nothing nuthugger and conspiracy theorist who has little knowledge of anything he talks about. Man up and compare their best wins, son!
      Well if you look at Freedom's thread on the case, most people do think he's top 20.

      Try again...

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        #213
        I think Chris Byrd has a better resume though. And where is Byrd among the ATG's? Not very high.

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          #214
          Originally posted by MartinC
          I think Chris Byrd has a better resume though. And where is Byrd among the ATG's? Not very high.
          Getting knocked the **** out or shut out on the cards is also part of your resume. Something Byrd managed a few times that Vitali never did.

          Byrd's resume is pretty much garbage other than the gift from Vitali. He beat a washed up Holyfield who followed up with an embarrassing loss to Toney and he outboxed David Tua is what was a perfect style matchup. That's about it.

          His most famous moment was probably getting knocked ****** by Ike and arguing with the ref that it wasn't a punch that knocked him down as slobber flowed out of his mouth.

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            #215
            Originally posted by MartinC
            I think Chris Byrd has a better resume though. And where is Byrd among the ATG's? Not very high.
            You mean the Chris Byrd that got destroyed by Wlad and got pummeled into oblivion by Ike Ibeabuchi?

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            • JAB5239
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              #216
              Originally posted by Weltschmerz
              Well if you look at Freedom's thread on the case, most people do think he's top 20.

              Try again...
              Why don't you defend your own stances instead of trying to use someone else's thread? If that's the case I'll just say not a single notable historian ranks him that high. So who is more credible, historians of a bunch of fan boys? You've completely ducked the Ruiz resume comparison because it has merit. You can scream Vits is an ATG till you're blue in the face, it doesn't change the fact his resume is crap, he lost to the two best fighters he ever faced, has never beaten anyone who will get in the HOF and only defended the heavyweight title one time against almighty Danny Williams. Sorry, but that doesn't equal all time greatness. I doubt you even know anything about the fighters you rank him over except from boxrec, so how exactly can you make this determination?

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                #217
                Originally posted by Weltschmerz
                You mean the Chris Byrd that got destroyed by Wlad and got pummeled into oblivion by Ike Ibeabuchi?

                Yeah that's the one. The same one who made Vittles quit and never seek a rematch.

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                • Weltschmerz
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                  #218
                  Originally posted by JAB5239
                  Why don't you defend your own stances instead of trying to use someone else's thread? If that's the case I'll just say not a single notable historian ranks him that high. So who is more credible, historians of a bunch of fan boys? You've completely ducked the Ruiz resume comparison because it has merit. You can scream Vits is an ATG till you're blue in the face, it doesn't change the fact his resume is crap, he lost to the two best fighters he ever faced, has never beaten anyone who will get in the HOF and only defended the heavyweight title one time against almighty Danny Williams. Sorry, but that doesn't equal all time greatness. I doubt you even know anything about the fighters you rank him over except from boxrec, so how exactly can you make this determination?
                  Vitali's resume is crap, really? And John Ruiz's is better, yeah?

                  As you can see from the poll, quite a few people voted yes, so I'm not the only one here. I'm actually surprised so many voted yes.

                  Get over your bitterness.

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                  • JAB5239
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                    #219
                    Originally posted by Weltschmerz
                    Vitali's resume is crap, really? And John Ruiz's is better, yeah?

                    As you can see from the poll, quite a few people voted yes, so I'm not the only one here. I'm actually surprised so many voted yes.

                    Get over your bitterness.
                    What bitterness is that? I just call it like I see it. And I see you simply don't have the knowledge to debate me.

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                    • Weltschmerz
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                      #220
                      Originally posted by JAB5239
                      What bitterness is that? I just call it like I see it. And I see you simply don't have the knowledge to debate me.
                      You didn't answer my question.

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