Vitali's legacy

[Jedi Vader]

We don't always see eye to eye, in fact we rarely ever do, but even you should be able to recognise the absurdity of this answer Tunney? You cannot be that bias and hypocritical. It is flying in the face of all reason, reality, consensus opinion, logic and anything resembling a sensible, intelligent, well thought out post.

You always talk about the Klistchkos as being intelligent, thoughtful, well mannered, polite people and that you look up to them. Well, try to follow their example here Tunney. Do you really think they would act this childish about basic boxing knowledge?

If you don't even get past decent contender status in today's era you are not worthy of being mentioned alongside multiple time, multiple division, Undisputed, long time, or HOF level opposition.

I'm not taking issue with whether Vitali is an ATG or not. In fact, im not even thinking about Vitali or Floyd for that matter. They don't come into it. That's not at all my point or focus here. I'm not arguing that one way or the other. I am arguing what you consider not just comparable fighters, but what you think are better fighters, as mentioned above. Don't call me racist or a Klistchko hater. I dont care about Vitali or Floyd. I'm concerned only with the people mentioned above in your post that you are comparing as fighters. Ok?

You used faded, coming off a loss and smaller.... I'm not even going to bother with the jail **** because that's moronic. He was a top five P4P, undefeated champion.

Ok, first:

Adamek and Gomez were champions only in divisions below heavyweight. Therefore, by your own criteria they are too small. They don't count.

Larry Donald was coming off a draw, a loss and one win over a club fighting bum that had five losses in a row coming into it. At least Judah had won the Undisputed world welterweight champion, beaten Spinks and Pineda before the loss with Baldomir and the Floyd fight. Donald doesn't count unless you rate a draw, loss and a 5 loss in a row journeyman win as better than wins over Spinks, Pineda, and winning the Undisputed championship of the world with one loss? Maybe you do, but Larry never even got past basic contender status. He couldn't even win a title eliminator despite three tries so he didn't even get to title contention status. He was nothing more than a literal fringe contender. Doesn't count.

Arreola, Solis and Johnson have never won a big fight or even won a paper title. Ever. They never even got past contender status. They don't count.

So far, we're left with Hide, Peter, Williams, and Sanders. I'm giving you Williams simply because he beat Potter with one arm and Tyson before Vitali. Hes never even won a title either though. The other three? Ok, they are good. Fine. You've got three, plus Danny Wiliams.

You still want to compare (not just compare but argue that theyre better wins!?!?) Sam Peters, Herbie Hide and Corrie Sanders to Shane Mosley, Oscar dele Hoya, Juan Maunel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Genaro Hernandez, Zab Judah, Miguel Cotto, Sharmba Mitchell, and Arturo Gatti?

You're awesome Tunney.

World class post and fitting for Tunney's burial.

He will dodge this post better than Klitali did Haye.

[Weltschmerz]

Welt, how do you think Vitali would have fared in the 90s?

You mean to say he could have beaten PRIME Lewis, Bowe, Ruddock, Bruno, Holyfield, and McCall?

Your fellow Klitiot (Klit + idiot) Freedom put me on his ignore list because he can't deal with cold hard facts.

Speaking of Freedom, I'll ask you the same question I asked him:

If Haye knocks out Charr, that'll be TWO of Vitali's opponents he's beaten more impressively than Vitali himself. Now what does that say about Vitali?

I think Vitali would have fared very well in the 90's. As I said, he'd hang with all those guys, why not?

About Haye, if he knocks out Charr, which I expect him to do without too much trouble, then kudos to him. We know that Vitali fought with one arm vs Chisora, and that he stopped Charr. IMO Vitali would have worn down Charr in his usual fashion, had Charr not been stopped on cuts. So, in the end, it doesn't give many answers as to whether Vitali has slowed down considerably.

[Weltschmerz]

He's a legendary champion, and probably the best fighter in the history of the sport, head to head.

Great post.

[billeau2]

Great post.

Your mancrush nonwithstanding the assertion that either Klit is top ten is ludicrious. It has become very obvious that these guys fight who they want, when they want. If Vitali even gave a **** he would at least fight Haye, a decent fighter.

The reason these guys get any credit is because of a weak division and because they are considered to be the future of the heavyweight division....a false and ****** pronouncement from those that do not understand neither evolution as outlined by Darwin and history.

Evolution is such that people do not become bigger in a generation or ten....Furthermore there is absolutely no proof that a kick ass heavyweight has to be more than about 220 pounds. Lewis happened to be a big champ, but "big" has never correlated to success in the history of the heavyweight division....and yes we have more big heavies around right now....IN A WEAK division!

James Toney blew up and beat some of the cream of this present heavyweight crop....so much for size mattering. The Klits are weak champs in a weak division.

[BrushMyCage]

top 10 heavyweight

[Suckmedry]

Love how Tunney ducked BennyST's post can't believe that guy is still on here with his ****. Been like 5 years now of Klitschko nut-licking wonder how many hours of his life that **** has spent just typing about the Klitschkos

[LacedUp]

We don't always see eye to eye, in fact we rarely ever do, but even you should be able to recognise the absurdity of this answer Tunney? You cannot be that bias and hypocritical. It is flying in the face of all reason, reality, consensus opinion, logic and anything resembling a sensible, intelligent, well thought out post.

You always talk about the Klistchkos as being intelligent, thoughtful, well mannered, polite people and that you look up to them. Well, try to follow their example here Tunney. Do you really think they would act this childish about basic boxing knowledge?

If you don't even get past decent contender status in today's era you are not worthy of being mentioned alongside multiple time, multiple division, Undisputed, long time, or HOF level opposition.

I'm not taking issue with whether Vitali is an ATG or not. In fact, im not even thinking about Vitali or Floyd for that matter. They don't come into it. That's not at all my point or focus here. I'm not arguing that one way or the other. I am arguing what you consider not just comparable fighters, but what you think are better fighters, as mentioned above. Don't call me racist or a Klistchko hater. I dont care about Vitali or Floyd. I'm concerned only with the people mentioned above in your post that you are comparing as fighters. Ok?

You used faded, coming off a loss and smaller.... I'm not even going to bother with the jail **** because that's moronic. He was a top five P4P, undefeated champion.

Ok, first:

Adamek and Gomez were champions only in divisions below heavyweight. Therefore, by your own criteria they are too small. They don't count.

Larry Donald was coming off a draw, a loss and one win over a club fighting bum that had five losses in a row coming into it. At least Judah had won the Undisputed world welterweight champion, beaten Spinks and Pineda before the loss with Baldomir and the Floyd fight. Donald doesn't count unless you rate a draw, loss and a 5 loss in a row journeyman win as better than wins over Spinks, Pineda, and winning the Undisputed championship of the world with one loss? Maybe you do, but Larry never even got past basic contender status. He couldn't even win a title eliminator despite three tries so he didn't even get to title contention status. He was nothing more than a literal fringe contender. Doesn't count.

Arreola, Solis and Johnson have never won a big fight or even won a paper title. Ever. They never even got past contender status. They don't count.

So far, we're left with Hide, Peter, Williams, and Sanders. I'm giving you Williams simply because he beat Potter with one arm and Tyson before Vitali. Hes never even won a title either though. The other three? Ok, they are good. Fine. You've got three, plus Danny Wiliams.

You still want to compare (not just compare but argue that theyre better wins!?!?) Sam Peters, Herbie Hide and Corrie Sanders to Shane Mosley, Oscar dele Hoya, Juan Maunel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Genaro Hernandez, Zab Judah, Miguel Cotto, Sharmba Mitchell, and Arturo Gatti?

You're awesome Tunney.

First class post! First class.

[LacedUp]

On subject, Vitali is nowhere near atg. HOF yes, whether we like it or not, he will get there. ATG, no. Wlad yes, Vitali no.

[yoz]

He's a legendary champion, and probably the best fighter in the history of the sport, head to head.

Hi alt..........

[Simurgh]

discrepancy between vitali's resume and his skills is quite big.
Saying that, one can't recognize him as ATG based on his resume.
H2H, he is surely among the bests.