Vitali's legacy

[lefthook2daliva]

To be clear i don't think Vitali is anywhere close to an ATG heavyweight.

As to if you can become ATG without beating one, probably?

Larry Holmes only ATG win is against a punch drunk Ali. Should we even count it? It's like beating Evander now.
Remove that win and Holmes resume is just as strong imo.

Tysons only ATG win is over Larry Holmes coming from retirement. I don't rate that win highly at all. It's questionable if Tyson is an ATG heavyweight though.

Good points that I probably should have been able to come up as I've been around for both careers and they both are generally considered ATGs.

[Poet682006]

^^^^^ Vitali's legacy :cool9:

[Weltschmerz]

To be clear i don't think Vitali is anywhere close to an ATG heavyweight.

As to if you can become ATG without beating one, probably?

Larry Holmes only ATG win is against a punch drunk Ali. Should we even count it? It's like beating Evander now.
Remove that win and Holmes resume is just as strong imo.

Tysons only ATG win is over Larry Holmes coming from retirement. I don't rate that win highly at all. It's questionable if Tyson is an ATG heavyweight though.

Vitali's resume is lacking, but h2h he'd hang with anybody.

[VG_Addict]

Welt, how do you think Vitali would have fared in the 90s?

You mean to say he could have beaten PRIME Lewis, Bowe, Ruddock, Bruno, Holyfield, and McCall?

Your fellow Klitiot (Klit + idiot) Freedom put me on his ignore list because he can't deal with cold hard facts.

Speaking of Freedom, I'll ask you the same question I asked him:

If Haye knocks out Charr, that'll be TWO of Vitali's opponents he's beaten more impressively than Vitali himself. Now what does that say about Vitali?

[Capncrunch]

A very good heavyweight that could hang with anyone. But his resume lacks the depth so hes probably top 25 or so.

[VG_Addict]

He's never ducked anybody, unlike Floyd.

What about David Haye?

[BlueOrangutan]

He's a legendary champion, and probably the best fighter in the history of the sport, head to head.

[BennyST]

10:

Peter
Adamek
Arreola
Donald
Hide
Sanders
Williams
Kirk Johnson
Gomez
Solis


Name two PRIME good fighters in his own weight division that Floyd beat.

Not faded (Mosley, Mitchell, Cotto, de la Hoya)
Not from a smaller weight division (Hatton, JMM)
Not coming off a loss (Judah)
Not facing a jail term (Corrales)

They don't exist.

We don't always see eye to eye, in fact we rarely ever do, but even you should be able to recognise the absurdity of this answer Tunney? You cannot be that bias and hypocritical. It is flying in the face of all reason, reality, consensus opinion, logic and anything resembling a sensible, intelligent, well thought out post.

You always talk about the Klistchkos as being intelligent, thoughtful, well mannered, polite people and that you look up to them. Well, try to follow their example here Tunney. Do you really think they would act this childish about basic boxing knowledge?

If you don't even get past decent contender status in today's era you are not worthy of being mentioned alongside multiple time, multiple division, Undisputed, long time, or HOF level opposition.

I'm not taking issue with whether Vitali is an ATG or not. In fact, im not even thinking about Vitali or Floyd for that matter. They don't come into it. That's not at all my point or focus here. I'm not arguing that one way or the other. I am arguing what you consider not just comparable fighters, but what you think are better fighters, as mentioned above. Don't call me racist or a Klistchko hater. I dont care about Vitali or Floyd. I'm concerned only with the people mentioned above in your post that you are comparing as fighters. Ok?

You used faded, coming off a loss and smaller.... I'm not even going to bother with the jail **** because that's moronic. He was a top five P4P, undefeated champion.

Ok, first:

Adamek and Gomez were champions only in divisions below heavyweight. Therefore, by your own criteria they are too small. They don't count.

Larry Donald was coming off a draw, a loss and one win over a club fighting bum that had five losses in a row coming into it. At least Judah had won the Undisputed world welterweight champion, beaten Spinks and Pineda before the loss with Baldomir and the Floyd fight. Donald doesn't count unless you rate a draw, loss and a 5 loss in a row journeyman win as better than wins over Spinks, Pineda, and winning the Undisputed championship of the world with one loss? Maybe you do, but Larry never even got past basic contender status. He couldn't even win a title eliminator despite three tries so he didn't even get to title contention status. He was nothing more than a literal fringe contender. Doesn't count.

Arreola, Solis and Johnson have never won a big fight or even won a paper title. Ever. They never even got past contender status. They don't count.

So far, we're left with Hide, Peter, Williams, and Sanders. I'm giving you Williams simply because he beat Potter with one arm and Tyson before Vitali. Hes never even won a title either though. The other three? Ok, they are good. Fine. You've got three, plus Danny Wiliams.

You still want to compare (not just compare but argue that theyre better wins!?!?) Sam Peters, Herbie Hide and Corrie Sanders to Shane Mosley, Oscar dele Hoya, Juan Maunel Marquez, Ricky Hatton, Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Genaro Hernandez, Zab Judah, Miguel Cotto, Sharmba Mitchell, and Arturo Gatti?

You're awesome Tunney.

[daggum]

vitali's legacy......not found.

[Grimmer]

10 years from now he'll be remembered as "Wladimir's less successful brother". No where near ATG, he'd struggle to make HOF if he wasn't Wlad's brother