You don't read so good. I said Foreman had not a single "great" opponent on his resume.
Those opponents were good fighters, good wins. But weren't GREAT opponents. And what I'm getting at is Vitali is the same, good opponents, not great opponents. So why are we biased here?
According to the IBRO you're 100% wrong. But what would they know, they're all just experts and historians.
Well I think Foremans and Holmes wins are comparable to be nice and Fraziers are so bad it's not even worth mentioning, except the Ali anomaly and you know what I think about that! You pretty much summed it up, Ali STRUGGLED, Vitali DOMINATED. Ali was beaten up by Frazier, Vitali wasted Peter, the modern day equivalent. Without his Ali win Frazier is absolutely worthless as is Foreman's win over him.
About the weight class opponents of Vitali, he may have fought FORMER CW's and in Byrd even a former SMW. But the fact is those opponents were and had to be REAL HW's, that is 200+ when Vitali fought them. The opponents of Foreman and Ali and Frazier, half of them are ACTUAL CW's! That is 175-200lbs! Ali was even knocked down by an opponent as low as 185lbs! PRIME Ali!
Weight does not equal quality but aside from skills which are something intangible and hard to measure, weight is the single most important factor. That's why there are weight ranges, because a heavy bum can beat up a far more skilled fighter but who is far lighter. And whilst single or few examples may not factor so highly, when we take a fighters whole record worth of fights the weight becomes VERY important for quality.
Look I don't agree with a lot of what you say either but you have made a lot of decent arguments, some of which I can't exactly refute either but all I can really say is that at the end of the day, Vitali IS GOING TO BE HOF AND ATG! And imo he deserves it!
Peter is the modern day equilvalent of Smokin Joe Frazier???Wait what.
So when Louis or Ali beat smaller guys its a joke. When Vits does it it has meaning. Yeah, ok.
I never said this.
Still not saying it, huh? Lol, clown!!
I was saying that the Klitschko's would beat those fighters, not that it was a joke that previous champs did it. Keep things in their context instead of twisting facts.
I was saying that the Klitschko's would beat those fighters, not that it was a joke that previous champs did it. Keep things in their context instead of twisting facts.
And what exactly are you basing this on, super troll? Surely it can't be Vittles comp!
Frazier beating Ali is living proof to me of how Ali's "greatness" should be reduced to merely "good" imo. I personally see nothing "great" about him. But I admit that is my own bias..
excuse me, just quoting that to remind me to add it to my signature of idiot quotes later. That's an awesome addition, thanks.
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