Do you trust Victor Conte and VADA?

[DARKSEID]

the reason conte works with VADA is so he can make up for his past.

Wether donaire wins or loses has nothing to do with him. He doesn't get a commission of what donaire makes.

Just like berto got caught with substances working under conte.

Conte works with an actual commission, and that means if he ****s up he gets jail time and loses all employment privileges. That's the difference between him and memo.

Donaire doesn't even have muscles. How the **** can anyone suspect him of doping.

[dan_cov]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Graham


this is the man heredia worked for. this guy trained sprinters. heredia supplied him with PED's, and later testified against graham in court under the condition that he would be granted some sort of immunity.

he didn't train these sprinters. he supplied them with PED's, though.

Trevor Graham was an athlete (olympic medalist) who went to Heredia for help; Not sure if it was for him personally or if he was coaching after his career or what.
Heredia is rumoured to work with Usian Bolt (possibly the most tested athlete in the world)

[DoktorSleepless]

Heredia might consider Rigo a "friend," but who says the sentiment is reciprocal? Lots of people like to associate themselves with celebrities, athletes, etc. At least Heredia denied working with Rigo. I didn't think he was.

Heredia won't even reveal who he's working with so who knows. Also, Rigo just did fire his old team. And really, you don't need to be a strength and conditioning coach to provide PEDs.

Anyway, Heredia saying he's friends him and with that thing he said ("Me le voy a Chingar con Rigo") after the Donaire-Arce fight, it's highly su****ious.

[dan_cov]

the reason conte works with VADA is so he can make up for his past.

Wether donaire wins or loses has nothing to do with him. He doesn't get a commission of what donaire makes.

Just like berto got caught with substances working under conte.

Conte works with an actual commission, and that means if he ****s up he gets jail time and loses all employment privileges. That's the difference between him and memo.

Donaire doesn't even have muscles. How the **** can anyone suspect him of doping.

Doesn't Memo work with/for Usada?

[New England]

Deadly serious. He also collaborated with the great Herbie Han****.

woah!

he must really be good

[dan_cov]

the reason conte works with VADA is so he can make up for his past.


Yeah because money has nothing to do it. He does this all to get through heavens gates right?

Come on man, I don't know the guys motives but its clear as day he is in boxing because of money. Likely that and the tests are easy to get past.

Amir Khan was buying supplements and that off him. You think Donaire, Ward etc are getting his help for free?

The guy is a multi millionaire for a reason.

[New England]

the reason conte works with VADA is so he can make up for his past.

Wether donaire wins or loses has nothing to do with him. He doesn't get a commission of what donaire makes.

Just like berto got caught with substances working under conte.

Conte works with an actual commission, and that means if he ****s up he gets jail time and loses all employment privileges. That's the difference between him and memo.

Donaire doesn't even have muscles. How the **** can anyone suspect him of doping.

does he have blood?
lungs?
a heart?
connective tissues?
does he get tired?
does he get injured?
is he human?


frankly, the notion that the layman understands what performance enhancing drugs can do is pretty laughable. at least that's what i'm coming to find.

they don't all make you into arnold. donaire has to weigh 122 lbs the day before his fights. he's not a bodybulder.

chavez jr uses them to lose weight. cyclists use them to allow their blood to be more effective in circulating oxygen. football players use them to come back from injuries.

[Bermuda]

This is what makes me question it; he was coming back from a shoulder injury.
Deca is a drug you could use to speed up recovery. Its helps with joints and such so this makes me think maybe there was foul play involved.

No supplement company will purposely put steroids in supplements, it would be too costly but there is unquestionably supplement companies who also make steroids and if the facilities aren't cleaned properly it may lead to contamination that is why I feel its important to use a brand that has their products screened for drugs.

most likely it was just contamination..how it got contaminated is another thing. but knowing that it stays in your system for so long, it just doesn't make sense to use it. berto even said that he took those supplements with the trace amounts of nandrolone behind conte's back...i guess berto made the mistake of taking a supplement without running it by conte and VADA first...

[radioraheem]

I do not trust Victor Conte and Vada, but also do not trust USADA.

At least Vada has not been caught up in any recent scandals. USADA has been.

VADA has its own 'scandal' too. The problem though is that no journalist has called them out on it. Instead, we have Victor Conte influenced journalists that focus much more on any mistakes USADA does.

In the case with Peterson, VADA informed only Peterson about his positive for nearly a month. So for nearly a month, VADA kept quiet about his positive test and did not inform the Commission or Golden Boy until it was practically too late. If you look into early interviews on BoxingScene done with VADA's founder, you'll see their Founder explicitly explaining how the fighter has a lot of power over who gets to see the results.

But today, it seems that VADA has recently changed their model and is now completely transparent due to the past 'scandals'. This type of thing though, no journalist has yet to mention or take note of. And Boxing Scene was the first to expose these issues via the early VADA interviews with Margaret Goodman.

[dan_cov]

most likely it was just contamination..how it got contaminated is another thing. but knowing that it stays in your system for so long, it just doesn't make sense to use it. berto even said that he took those supplements with the trace amounts of nandrolone behind conte's back...i guess berto made the mistake of taking a supplement without running it by conte and VADA first...

Nandrolone occurs naturally in the human body in tiny amounts, I don't know the cut off rate but lets say it is a 4:1 ratio he'd of had to of been over that to fail the test.
I'm sorry but trace amounts will not put you 4:1 over the limit

Does that make sense? I'm not saying Conte said ''here take this'' but the story sounds a bit fishy to me personally, especially given the fact he was out through injury.