Do you trust Victor Conte and VADA?

[Dr Rumack]

Heredia is rumoured to work with Usian Bolt (possibly the most tested athlete in the world)

I've seen that in a tons of articles, how true is it? Some people say
the reason Heredia changed his name was so he could work with guys like Bolt.

Conte is certainly convinced the elite Jamaican track teams are doping. He referred to them in the Joe Rogan Podcast and connected Heredia to them too.

Around the 41 minute mark I think:



This interview was a real eye opener for me. Seriously gave me a whole new perspective on the whole area.

[DeadLikeMe]

Conte was so pissed after Berto popped positive for that...he knows his guys are jacked full of way undetectable stuff and is embarrassed if they get popped for an old school anabolic.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Heredia won't even reveal who he's working with so who knows. Also, Rigo just did fire his old team. And really, you don't need to be a strength and conditioning coach to provide PEDs.

Anyway, Heredia saying he's friends him and with that thing he said ("Me le voy a Chingar con Rigo") after the Donaire-Arce fight, it's highly su****ious.

Yeah, like I said, I don't even like that guy's name mentioned in the same sentence with Rigo. Whatever the case, Guillermo has agreed to VADA testing, the only one of Donaire's opponents to do so. If he beats Nonito, no one can say he avoided Donaire's request for extended testing.

[Barry Halls]

I may trust VADA to a certain degree, but why would i trust Conte? His expertise is in avoiding getting caught.

He's a consultant to VADA. Does anyone seriously believe Donaire would get caught by something Conte is prescribing him?

Look at Armstrong. How many times did he get caught?

[New England]

Yeah, like I said, I don't even like that guy's name mentioned in the same sentence with Rigo. Whatever the case, Guillermo has agreed to VADA testing, the only one of Donaire's opponents to do so. If he beats Nonito, no one can say he avoided Donaire's request for extended testing.

and unfortunately, if rigondeaux loses and doesn't look good people will speculate about PED use in the past.

[New England]

I may trust VADA to a certain degree, but why would i trust Conte? His expertise is in avoiding getting caught.

He's a consultant to VADA. Does anyone seriously believe Donaire would get caught by something Conte is prescribing him?

Look at Armstrong. How many times did he get caught?

at least twice, right? it was covered up, though, and never made it public.


there's a 60 minutes segment on it, i believe. i could hit up the wiki for more info, but i've done that too many times today

[radioraheem]

I may trust VADA to a certain degree, but why would i trust Conte? His expertise is in avoiding getting caught.

He's a consultant to VADA. Does anyone seriously believe Donaire would get caught by something Conte is prescribing him?

Look at Armstrong. How many times did he get caught?

If VADA were smarter, they would ask Conte behind the scenes to not mention them so much. He speaks of VADA so much, you would think he founded VADA himself. Being associated with Conte, whether an organization or an athlete, taints your reputation instantly.

[Dr Rumack]

and unfortunately, if rigondeaux loses and doesn't look good people will speculate about PED use in the past.

That's always going to be the problem when people don't trust the system that's in place. They're always going to be skeptical, even of guys that don't deserve it. In fact an entire generation of guys are likely to still have those questions hanging over them long after they've retired.

Nothing can fix that except an anti-doping framework that is somewhat credible. Putting one in place is conceivable but the promoters aren't going to do it of their own accord. The impetus has to come from elsewhere and it's a question of where that will be.

[Barry Halls]

at least twice, right? it was covered up, though, and never made it public.


there's a 60 minutes segment on it, i believe. i could hit up the wiki for more info, but i've done that too many times today

There's also talks about Carl Lewis getting caught and it was covered up.

I basically don't trust anyone when it comes to doping. Everyone is doing their best to either cover it up, mask it. Look at all the athletes in the world that are 100% certain to be on peds, and how many get caught?

Donaire getting tested "24/7" is better than nothing but hardly proof of him being clean. Especially with Conte in his corner.

[Dr Rumack]

If VADA were smarter, they would ask Conte behind the scenes to not mention them so much. He speaks of VADA so much, you would think he founded VADA himself. Being associated with Conte, whether an organization or an athlete, taints your reputation instantly.

That's an important point, because if Conte genuinely was using VADA to cover his ass with doped athletes he wouldn't be advertising his relationship with them either.

Conte has embraced the anti-ped crusader role and his connection to VADA is part of that. That's why he won't shut up about it and is fucking constantly talking about it on twitter.