Do you trust Victor Conte and VADA?

[Biolink]

Sure.

What would Conte have to gain by still cooking up designer drugs? I'm sure the Feds aren't just gonna STOP watching him and he knows how to give a legal advantage to fighters he works with and I'm guessing he is still pretty successful so what exactly is there to gain by risking prison time?

[elfag]

did conte really make the steroids while he was at balco? i'm pretty sure he didn't do **** when it came to making steroids ..instead he hired some ped chemist to do all of that..but do you have a source that says that conte knows how to make undetectable peds..as far as i know it's heredia who has boasted about making undetectable peds in an interview with spiegel online...

conte isnt the lab nerd, what he does have though is contacts, so he can get whatever the new unknown and undetectable drugs are.

Patrick arnold was one of the lab nerds at balco. He didnt invent new drugs but found old forgotten drugs in books that were invented but never brought to market and figured out how to produce them. nobody thought to test for them because nobody even knew they existed anymore

[dan_cov]

I heard this myself, but can you give me a source with that? That doesn't even make sense because Alex Ariza has a Bachelor in Exercise and Nutritional Sciences. Pretty sure Heredia wasn't a professor.

Gabriel Montoya™ @Gabriel_Montoya
Arum said "Yes." Arum explained that he trusts Heredia because Ariza has "worked under him" and has assured him Memo's methods are clean.


I think Ariza mentions it here

[New England]

Sure.

What would Conte have to gain by still cooking up designer drugs? I'm sure the Feds aren't just gonna STOP watching him and he knows how to give a legal advantage to fighters he works with and I'm guessing he is still pretty successful so what exactly is there to gain by risking prison time?

this is the risk taken by virtually any PED cheat. if they weren't willing to take the minimal risk of being caught they wouldn't take it. clearly it's easy to get around two piss tests.

hell, even a blood test won't catch you if you're gassing up when you don't have fights scheduled.



in short, these fighters can make extra hundreds of thousands to multi millions. this is a risk that people take at virutally every level of sport, never mind world class boxing, where guys can make millions for each fight..

[Bermuda]

Disagree; the last steroid he would of gave/recommended Berto or any athlete is Deca Durabolin which is detectable for up to 18 months.

the trace amounts that was in berto's system was nandrolone which stays in your system for a long ass time so it wouldn't make sense for any athlete to use it if they wanted to cheat....the truth is berto took a few tests with VADA and they all came back negative and after his shoulder injury he took some extra supplements not given by conte and that's when berto tested positive for trace amounts of nandrolone...so it could very well be contamination.

it's not unheard of for athletes to test positive due to contamination...

[New England]

Gabriel Montoya™ @Gabriel_Montoya
Arum said "Yes." Arum explained that he trusts Heredia because Ariza has "worked under him" and has assured him Memo's methods are clean.


I think Ariza mentions it here

doc spleepless is gabe montoya.

at any rate, arum isn't going to throw the trainer of his top dog (manny at the time,) under the bus as a PED cheat.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I'm not being presumptuous. Heredia himself said it.

https://twitter.com/Guruscience/status/304012671374729216

And he seems to be living in Florida right now from what I gather.

Heredia might consider Rigo a "friend," but who says the sentiment is reciprocal? Lots of people like to associate themselves with celebrities, athletes, etc. At least Heredia denied working with Rigo. I didn't think he was.

[dan_cov]

the trace amounts that was in berto's system was nandrolone which stays in your system for a long ass time so it wouldn't make sense for any athlete to use it if they wanted to cheat....the truth is berto took a few tests with VADA and they all came back negative and after his shoulder injury he took some extra supplements not given by conte and that's when berto tested positive for trace amounts of nandrolone...so it could very well be contamination.

it's not unheard of for athletes to test positive due to contamination...

This is what makes me question it; he was coming back from a shoulder injury.
Deca is a drug you could use to speed up recovery. Its helps with joints and such so this makes me think maybe there was foul play involved.

No supplement company will purposely put steroids in supplements, it would be too costly but there is unquestionably supplement companies who also make steroids and if the facilities aren't cleaned properly it may lead to contamination that is why I feel its important to use a brand that has their products screened for drugs.

[Ve Ri Tas]

Am I the only one who is su****ious of Victor Conte and the VADA testing?

Conte is an expert on masking the use of drugs, in other words, helping fighters test negative for the PEDs they are using.

NO! He served time in prison in 2005 after pleading guilty to conspiracy to distribute steroids and money laundering.

[New England]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Graham

this is the man heredia worked for. this guy trained sprinters. heredia supplied him with PED's, and later testified against graham in court under the condition that he would be granted some sort of immunity.

he didn't train these sprinters. he supplied them with PED's, though.