Do you trust Victor Conte and VADA?

[gmc_rfc_06]

did conte really make the steroids while he was at balco? i'm pretty sure he didn't do **** when it came to making steroids ..instead he hired some ped chemist to do all of that..but do you have a source that says that conte knows how to make undetectable peds..as far as i know it's heredia who has boasted about making undetectable peds in an interview with spiegel online...

I didn't mean he himself sits in a lab and creates them. He is the man that brings people in and get's things done, he knows testing procedures and he knows exactly what needs to be done. He said just last year (an interview that was posed on this site) that he has numerous drugs that wont be detectable for years, as well as methods of making regular AAS extremely difficult to detect. His claims mixed with his past...yeah, I'm not certain about athletes who seek his help/

I don't trust Heridia either btw.

[DeadLikeMe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Graham


this is the man heredia worked for. this guy trained sprinters. heredia supplied him with PED's, and later testified against graham in court under the condition that he would be granted some sort of immunity.

he didn't train these sprinters. he supplied them with PED's, though.

I don't remember if this was ever substantiated, but didn't the Pacquiao camp bring in Graham as a fitness consultant on 2-3 occasions around 09/10?


I don't trust any of these guys. Will I give them a chance until they get caught? Sure. Trust them? Hell no. I just laugh to myself at people wholeheartedly trusting Victor Conte just because he trains the guy who is the same ethnicity as they are

[Bermuda]

conte isnt the lab nerd, what he does have though is contacts, so he can get whatever the new unknown and undetectable drugs are.

Patrick arnold was one of the lab nerds at balco. He didnt invent new drugs but found old forgotten drugs in books that were invented but never brought to market and figured out how to produce them. nobody thought to test for them because nobody even knew they existed anymore

i just don't think conte would go out of his way to do all of this again with the knowledge that if he gets caught again then it's over for him...conte seems pre occupied with clearing his name (educating USADA & VADA, being a very vocal advocate for stricter testing), and starting over with his new company NSAC and helping athletes like donaire and marlen espinoza...I don't think he'd be ****** enough to risk it all again....but that's just my opinion.

[Dr Rumack]

are you being serious, or just making a solid funny?

Deadly serious. He also collaborated with the great Herbie Han****.

[deanrw]

I do not trust Victor Conte and Vada, but also do not trust USADA.

At least Vada has not been caught up in any recent scandals. USADA has been.

[CubanGuyNYC]

are you being serious, or just making a solid funny?

Strange but true, bro. I remember reading that somewhere. It was a kick in the head to me, because I'm actually familiar with "Tower of Power's" music. That's Conte, second from the left, in the first photograph.

[New England]

new york times article on the west coast / bay area steroid ring, that eventually led to the outing of all of these sprinters as drug cheats.

heredia supplied them with drugs

graham trained them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/20/sp...3&ei=5090&_r=0

[radioraheem]

he proclaims himself as a chemist. that's where his expertise lies.


the guy is very obviously a PED cheat. he's been busted for it before, and worked as an informant for the government in a massive steroid ring that supplied world class athletes with top flight PED's.


hell, he is on youtube in a german documentary buying steroids in mexico, and putting them into his own stomach with a needle.

Angel Heredia went to college and his father is/was a chemistry professor. From what I remember, Heredia graduated from Texas A&M. Ariza also went to college. However, Conte, did not go to college.

[gmc_rfc_06]

This is what makes me question it; he was coming back from a shoulder injury.
Deca is a drug you could use to speed up recovery. Its helps with joints and such so this makes me think maybe there was foul play involved.

No supplement company will purposely put steroids in supplements, it would be too costly but there is unquestionably supplement companies who also make steroids and if the facilities aren't cleaned properly it may lead to contamination that is why I feel its important to use a brand that has their products screened for drugs.

It doesn't happen on purpose, but supplement contamination happens more than it should.

There have been certain companies that have had to remove and recall entire batches of supplements due to it.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Deadly serious. He also collaborated with the great Herbie Han****.

And that would be Conte on the far left, in this photo. Easy to tell. He's just gotten heavier and lost some hair.

I've always found it interesting how people who are accomplished in one field are often accomplished in another.