Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez: Chavez Will Receive a Worse Beating

[BafanaBafana]

He's not. Ward said he'd fight Martinez at 168. He knows that Martinez isn't a small middleweight like he claims to be. He's shorter, but not small by any comparison. Ward has seen Martinez out in public and even he said that Martinez looked way bigger than your average middleweight. Ward knows that Martinez uses the "I'm too small" line to stay away from what he feels would be a certain L. Look at this, Martinez fights Chavez. Chavez comes in the night of the fight at 190. Ward comes in the night of his fights at 175, so how is it that he's too small to fight Ward but not too small to fight Chavez?

You're just making up stuff, here's what Ward actually said:
"I would love to fight Martinez but I don't think it is possible because of the weight. Martinez's people say that he is a small middleweight and they are right."

Martinez habitually weighs 165-67 on fight night.
Andre Ward usually weighs 176-181 on fight night.

The real difference here is that Martinez is fighting Chavez at 160 not 168. Chavez would be tougher opponent if he didn't have to weight drain to make 160, but Martinez is the middleweight champ and fight at 160 so that's where the fight takes place.

The difference between Martinez v. Mayweather, Canelo, Cotto, etc. and Martinez vs Ward is that Martinez comes down to 154 to challenge the big draws in their own division (he makes the concession). Meanwhile, Ward unlike Dawson, isn't willing to go down to 160 because he can't as he already carries too much muscle at 168 to fight at 160.

[josenoway]

Ward himself admitted on Boxinglab that Martinez is too small, this was just in September, a few months back.
Chavez Jr. didn't step on the unofficial scales for the Martinez fight but did for the Rubio fight and was 181, not 190. Martinez was 167 according to Lewkowicz.

And you're comparing a 181 pound heavybag with basically no skills to a 175 pound P4P contender to try and justify a fight. Seriously?

He's not. Ward said he'd fight Martinez at 168. He knows that Martinez isn't a small middleweight like he claims to be. He's shorter, but not small by any comparison. Ward has seen Martinez out in public and even he said that Martinez looked way bigger than your average middleweight. Ward knows that Martinez uses the "I'm too small" line to stay away from what he feels would be a certain L. Look at this, Martinez fights Chavez. Chavez comes in the night of the fight at 190. Ward comes in the night of his fights at 175, so how is it that he's too small to fight Ward but not too small to fight Chavez?

[Fay]

This time Martinez wont get up,, his fans know it thats why they dont want the rematch to happen

[simms601]

Ward isn't ******, he knows they won't concede to Martinez coming up in weight. You've never heard Ward bash anyone so of course he agrees by saying that Martinez is too small because he knows that fight will never happen, unless it's at 160 which gives Martinez an advantage. Ward could see Martinez as being too small simply because he's fighting at a higher weight. 30 days out against Chavez, Martinez was 174. Like I said the guy says he's small, but he's really not.

[kiaba360]

This time Martinez wont get up,, his fans know it thats why they dont want the rematch to happen

Nah. I'm as confident as I was the first time. I still think it's a mismatch and that Martinez will beat him again. He proved that he has elite-level stamina, proved that he has the skill to nullify Chavez's strengths and the attributes to capitalize on his weaknesses. He showed that he can force the pace as well as counter. All Chavez proved to me is that he can absorb punishment, that's it.

Will Jr. get out of his shell and throw punches, or will he allow Sergio to beat him up? Sergio already proved that he can go 12 rounds with injuries. If he doesn't suffer any injuries this time, he's gonna make it look easier than the first time.

[simms601]

Ward himself admitted on Boxinglab that Martinez is too small, this was just in September, a few months back.
Chavez Jr. didn't step on the unofficial scales for the Martinez fight but did for the Rubio fight and was 181, not 190. Martinez was 167 according to Lewkowicz.

And you're comparing a 181 pound heavybag with basically no skills to a 175 pound P4P contender to try and justify a fight. Seriously?

Again, Ward isn't going to bash Martinez and say that he's not too small. And also, Ward is 168 p4p not 175. Martinez was 174 30 days out, which shows that the guy isn't small. If Chavez wasn't 190, I'm sure he was close too it. Either way, he still outweighs Ward on fight night. And you basically gave me the answer as to why Martinez was so confident in fighting a bigger Chavez and not so confident in fighting a more skillful Ward. Simply because of the skill level.

[BafanaBafana]

Again, Ward isn't going to bash Martinez and say that he's not too small. And also, Ward is 168 p4p not 175. Martinez was 174 30 days out, which shows that the guy isn't small. If Chavez wasn't 190, I'm sure he was close too it. Either way, he still outweighs Ward on fight night. And you basically gave me the answer as to why Martinez was so confident in fighting a bigger Chavez and not so confident in fighting a more skillful Ward. Simply because of the skill level.

The size plays a big role, if Martinez were Ward's size (6'1 176-181 pounds) while retaining his proportional speed, power and agility he'd probably KO Ward. Period. There's a huge difference in speed and technique between Martinez and Arthur Abraham, Froch, Kessler, or heck even Sakio Bika who gave Ward a run for his money.

[SwineFlu]

So since you're saying that Sergio is a natural 154lber, that means he can fight Mayweather who is technically a naturally smaller guy? So he would technically still be calling out a smaller guy! So if Mayweather uses the excuse that Martinez is too big, wouldn't that be a viable excuse since Martinez says Ward is too big for him? I'm not understanding why Ward is too big and Chavez wasn't! It's a money thing with Mayweather, it's a confidence thing with Chavez and Ward. He knows he'll be paid if he fights Mayweather, he knows he'll be fighting a smaller fighter in Mayweather, he knows because of his size (Middleweight who has everyone fooled to think he's smaller) that he could possibly win. With Chavez he knew he could beat him, because regardless of who Chavez fought he wasn't ready for that fight with Martinez, that's why Martinez was so confident in fighting him. Chavez naturally is bigger than Ward, so would he have that same confidence to fight Ward? You can say Sergio is a natural 154lber all day, doesn't make him one. Just because he fought there doesn't mean he can make it back there. He fought at 147 also, but he wouldn't make it down to 147. He's 37 years old and will be on his 4th year at 160. He didn't have to eat to make 160 like Pac and May have to eat to make 147 and 154. He is NATURALLY bigger than both of these guys but he has people fooled (YOU) into believing he's smaller.

Why so protective of Floyd? It's not like he never fought smaller guys. Sergio deserves a smaller guy, he has fought nothing but bigger guys the last.....many years

[GoldSugar]

The size plays a big role, if Martinez were Ward's size (6'1 176-181 pounds) while retaining his proportional speed, power and agility he'd probably KO Ward. Period. There's a huge difference in speed and technique between Martinez and Arthur Abraham, Froch, Kessler, or heck even Sakio Bika who gave Ward a run for his money.

You must hold Mayweather in high regard then if you're pushing for Floyd to fight Sergio who has elite skills and almost a 20 lb weight advantage on Mayweather.

[White_Knight]

Martinez won by an average margin of 8 rounds (actually, a little over 8) on the judges' scorecards. There is no way that warrants a rematch.

Let Martinez fight Mayweather or Golovkin.