Originally posted by Gunstar1
Roy Jones - Poor amateur record
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Originally posted by Dirt E GomezHah, this is just ammusing. I've seen the fight twice, and have it on my computer at the dorms. If I were there, I'd honestly watch it again and give you a round by round as to be able to laugh at your ludicrus assertion that Hopkins won.Comment
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you can be right, but that was the amateurs. He looked great in the olympics and had a sharp pro career. Tarver made it to the olympics by some sort of default. Remember Glen Robinson. Look it up, since your a pro at amateur records.Comment
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good thing that JuyJuy got banned. Dumbass have been spamming too much about Eubanks and his bull**** anti-Jones threads. To Gunstar...how da hell u thought that Hopkins-Jones fight was close? Jones won convincingly, winning about 8-9 rounds.Comment
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a loss at that high of a level to the guys that beat him ...i would not say is a poor record anyways ...wow a loss to gerald mcclellan yeah thats just horribleComment
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i am just getting in on this Roy Jones Debate. Roy jones had the talent that maybe a only a robinson, leonard, and now mayweather has. He was faster than leonard with the counter, and combinations up to 2-3 punches. His awkwardness and speed was used for defense, minimizing the punches he had to take, and making b fighters look like c and d fighters.
However, he did not fight top fighters. I read a post on here that listed champions that he fought hmmmm. You need to tell the entire pictures. Griffen was very very overrated, he just had a style that confused many, but was never an A fighter. Virgil hill was over the hill when roy fought him, including a loss to ancient tommy hearns a couple of years prior. Paz..was retired for a while due to neck surgery and then came back and moved up to fight roy, McCallum was damm near 40. The rest of the fighters you mention were alphabet title holders, not A fighters except for Hopkins and Toney.
Hopkins was a clear victory for Roy, but did roy show us anything in this fight, if your comparing him to such greats pound per pound like a leonard, duran, etc....Hopkins was green first title fight, out of the pin, and the truth is Hopkins to this day has never...NEVER... beaten a A level Middleweight that did not bloat themselves up to meet him. DLH and Tito...that is it and they were welters,.... So that is one of Roy's quality wins. Toney is the other, and I don't believe in excuses,,but if you buy the excuse roy made against Tarver in the 1st fight about being drained and this impacted his abilities in that fight, then Toney did the same thing to somewhat, to get down for the Jones fight. No he did not have to lose muscle, but he had to lose a lot of weight and was clealry drained in the fight, he could not even sweat, as he was dehydrated..big time...
I used to love Roy, but even if you give him kudos for Hopkins and Toney, then from 94- 05 he beat no one worth mentioning. He hid behind bogus policies that stated mandatory challenger, when no other great did..Hmmmm Leonard moved all around to fight the best, DLH, Mayweather, Mosley, hmmm so why did roy avoid Benn, McCllelan, eubanks, DM, Collins, etc... That is a lot of fighters to avoid, when your resume doesn't have a list of top rated fighters to offset this., or should I say top rated fighter during their prime. Yes Roy would be favored to beat these fighters,,,but that is why you fight, to see just how good you are. Remember when everyone had penciled in Mosly as the best pound per pound in the world, the true 3rd member of the Sugar lineage. Then he fought a person who gave him troubles as a amature (McCllelan for Roy) in Forrest, but Mosley was the great pro right, and he would win right...Well what happened when they stepped off of the paper that said who would win and acutally got in the ring.....
Yes Roy had great great skills, but he did not prove it against A fighters, therefore he is not an all time great, he is a Alltime great talent.Comment
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