Roy Jones - Poor amateur record

[BattlingNelson]

Ok so he did fight A fighters.

So why close the post with "Jones never proved it against A fighters?" then?

Oh that's right maybe because he's conventintly got every excuse ready under the sun for those two wins.

So it's either he didn't fight A fighters or he did fight A fighters BUT..

Clearly and obviously biased and just flat out wrong in some cases.

Thanks for the retraction.

Now where is it that he is 'flat out wrong'?

[Ray*]

No point in trying to appeal to this hate driven threadstarter, anyone co-signing him is just a hater plain and simple.

[IronDanHamza]

Thanks for the retraction.

Now where is it that he is 'flat out wrong'?

I didn't retract anything but thank you for not addressing anything I said.

He's flat out wrong in implying that James Toney was any different against Roy Jones than he was in any of his other fights around that time period.

But I expect that from someone who clearly has an agenda.

[BattlingNelson]

I didn't retract anything but thank you for not addressing anything I said.

He's flat out wrong in implying that James Toney was any different against Roy Jones than he was in any of his other fights around that time period.

But I expect that from someone who clearly has an agenda.

From memory I think he looked more lacklustre against RJJ than against Nunn. So you saying that he is 'flat out' wrong' is based on opinion which makes your statement a contradiction.

What are the other cases where he is 'flat out wrong'?

[Caught Square]

Lol the Richie Woodhall fight wasn't close wtf.

'Then Park Si-Hun was Jones' 13th amateur loss' spends the whole time going on about gifts and then casually acts like he just lost fair and square. If he admitted Jones was robbed that would be the perfect chance to make his post balanced/disguise the hatred of Jones but that pretty much confirmed it was a troll post for me.

[IronDanHamza]

From memory I think he looked more lacklustre against RJJ than against Nunn. So you saying that he is 'flat out' wrong' is based on opinion which makes your statement a contradiction.

What are the other cases where he is 'flat out wrong'?

He looked no more "lacklustre" than he did against Jones than he did any fights in that period and he also was cutting just as much weight.

He was "drained" is a ridiculous excuse. He only looked any worse because he was fighting Roy Jones.

And Toney looked like **** against Nunn.

That he didn't fight top fighters (laughable)

That he didn't fight A fighters (laughable)

Oh but he actually he did fight A fighters, allow me to contradict myself there, but of course I've got these list of excuses ready for those wins. But "I don't believe in excuses"

[BattlingNelson]

He looked no more "lacklustre" than he did against Jones than he did any fights in that period and he also was cutting just as much weight.

He was "drained" is a ridiculous excuse. He only looked any worse because he was fighting Roy Jones.

Opinion. Don't mistake opinions for facts.

Still you can provide facts here if you can somehow prove that Toney cut as much weight for everybody else as he did for Jones.

Boxrec says: "Toney weighed 207 pounds when he started training camp, but he was able to get down to 167 for the official weigh-in."

And Toney looked like **** against Nunn.

Opinion. Don't mistake opinions for facts. Some might have the opinion that Toney looked the way he did because he was fighting Michael Nunn.

That he didn't fight top fighters (laughable)





That he didn't fight A fighters (laughable)

Which is a point we have already been over. Here's what he wrote Again:

not A fighters except for Hopkins and Toney.

Oh but he actually he did fight A fighters, allow me to contradict myself there, but of course I've got these list of excuses ready for those wins. But "I don't believe in excuses"

In conculsion you have not been able to show the cases where wpink was 'flat out wrong'.

[Jc8804]

1982 Florida Games - Gift Decision against Antonio Tarver in final

1983 Florida Jr. Olympics - Lost

1985 Florida Jr. Olympics - Lost

He also Lost to Igor Ruzhnikov (Russia, 139, 1986), John Reid (Ireland, 156, 1986), Andy Liebing (Cuba, 156, 1986), Frank Liles (almost KTFO, US nationals, 156, 1988) and Gerald McClellan (US Golden Gloves, 156, 1988). Then, Jones got a gift to the 1988 Olympics when every sane person knows it should of been Gerald McClellan going to Seoul. Mediocre Richie Woodhall gave Jones a very close fight in the semi-finals. Then Park Si-Hun was Jones' 13th amateur loss.


Also remember that Jermain Taylor looked better against Bernard Hopkins than Jones did and that Michael Nunn looked better against James Toney than Jones did. People should not forget the Schooling that Montell Griffin put on Jones. Let's not forget 40-year-old Mike McCallum giving Jones a really close fight. Let's not forget Lou Del Valle almost KTFO Jones. Let's not forget Antonio Tarver KTFO Jones. Let's not forget Glencoffe Johnson KTFO Jones. Let's not forget Antonio Tarver beat Jones four times - 1982 (robbed), 2003 (robbed), 2004 and 2005. Jones' best resume is the guys he avoided and ducked - Gerald McClellan, Lamar Parks, Julian Jackson, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Michael Nunn, Graciano Rocchigiani, Fabrice Tiozzo, Steve Collins, Henry Maske, Dariusz Michalczewski, James Toney II, Bernard Hopkins II, Joe Calzaghe, Vassilliy Jirov, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, the list goes on.

Reaching.

Boxing politics son.
You just came off a big hater.

[IronDanHamza]

Opinion. Don't mistake opinions for facts.

Still you can provide facts here if you can somehow prove that Toney cut as much weight for everybody else as he did for Jones.

Boxrec says: "Toney weighed 207 pounds when he started training camp, but he was able to get down to 167 for the official weigh-in."

Opinion. Don't mistake opinions for facts. Some might have the opinion that Toney looked the way he did because he was fighting Michael Nunn.




Which is a point we have already been over. Here's what he wrote Again:





In conculsion you have not been able to show the cases where wpink was 'flat out wrong'.

When wasn't Toney that weight between fights during that time period?

Oh ok Toney looking poor against Nunn isn't a fact Ok.

What about Dave Tiberi is that a fact or opinion that he looked poor? Or was that one down to Dave?

"We" haven't been over anything. You have refused to adknowledge the posters blatant hypocrisy.

He also doesn't contradict his point of "he never fougt a top fighter" he doesn't change his mind on that one.

That is flat out wrong.

In conclusion; You agree with his post despite the clear and blatant bias and agenda because you share the same one.

He's contradicted himself and made every excuse in the book. That's after making a ridiculous claim of "He never fought a top fighter"

[BattlingNelson]

When wasn't Toney that weight between fights during that time period?

So far all I know is that he was getting Down from 207 for Jones. Let's say that it's highly unlikely that he had to drop as much weight for Johnson as that was only 6 weeks after Nunn.

But I await the proofs for Toney having to drop as much way for his other fights.

Oh ok Toney looking poor against Nunn isn't a fact Ok.

Yeah. Ok.

What about Dave Tiberi is that a fact or opinion that he looked poor? Or was that one down to Dave?

Point?

"We" haven't been over anything. You have refused to adknowledge the posters blatant hypocrisy.

I haven't been asked to. I asked YOU to provide the proofs for where he was 'flat out wrong' which you have failed to do.

He also doesn't contradict his point of "he never fougt a top fighter" he doesn't change his mind on that one.

That is flat out wrong.

In conclusion; You agree with his post despite the clear and blatant bias and agenda because you share the same one.

He's contradicted himself and made every excuse in the book. That's after making a ridiculous claim of "He never fought a top fighter"

Well yes he did make excuses likely meaning that he didn't think that Jones fought a top fighter at that fighters toplevel.