Comments Thread For: Mayweather Sr: De La Hoya Tabbed Me To Train V. Ortiz

[MeanestNiceGuy]

Bad idea for Ortiz. Why? Here it goes...

Since he may be working with Sr., people only know his best piece of art, and that's FMJ.

With that in mind, people will expect Sr.'s work to produce a miracle, thus being too much mental pressure on Victor to show improvement.

Pressure is not Victor's game, he always folds. He performs best when he's almost written off by the public. That extra pressure of knowing that he was going to fight Canelo (had he beaten Lopez), may have been too much.

Again, Ortiz fights best when he puts pressure on himself before almost being written off, NOT when the public, opponents, (or people close to him) puts pressure on him.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I don't know if that move would be wise for Ortiz. Floyd Sr is good at molding fighters from a young age. That's why Floyd Jr is so good. But he doesn't bring to the table what Ortiz needs right now as a fighter. Victor needs someone like Teddy Atlas, a no nonsense type of guy and a motivator. Victor needs someone to push him. The skills that Floyd Sr teaches has to be taught at a young age.

How do you know these things and make assumptions like this? Let me tell you what Floyd Sr is thought of in the boxing training world, he is extremely respected and knows his stuff. Roger is not.

Floyd Sr. knows how to train, he's just rough around the edges and demands the best of his fighters. DLH said he was the best motivator of any trainer he's ever had.

I think it's a perfect fit for Ortiz because that's what he needs to get his career back on track, a no BS type trainer that isn't going to coddle him and he isn't familiar with.

[intoccabile]

Bad idea for Ortiz. Why? Here it goes...

Since he may be working with Sr., people only know his best piece of art, and that's FMJ.

With that in mind, people will expect Sr.'s work to produce a miracle, thus being too much mental pressure on Victor to show improvement.

Pressure is not Victor's game, he always folds. He performs best when he's almost written off by the public. That extra pressure of knowing that he was going to fight Canelo (had he beaten Lopez), may have been too much.

Again, Ortiz fights best when he puts pressure on himself before almost being written off, NOT when the public, opponents, (or people close to him) puts pressure on him.

People know him for a lot more than FMJ.

Oscar was amazing with him. Guzman looked unbeatable with him.

[theflyest]

i don't mind it. Here's my reasoning:

- ORtiz is intrinsically motivated when it comes to putting in the work at training. He isn't the type of guy who needsa a trainer on his ass to motivate him to put in the physical work required. This fits well with Sr who isn't known to babysit fighters to train/run, and do the required fitness work. This only leaves Sr to teach him some fundamental offensive and defensive stuff, which with Vic's work ethic he may be able to apply. I don't see how he could do much better than Sr TBH. Who else is there?

Good point. It could actually work. Mayweather Sr is a "my way or the highway" type of trainer. Ortiz is a gym rat, so he can deal with Mayweather Sr's old school approach.

Another bonus for Ortiz is that Mayweather SR is not training any other elite guys at the moment, so Ortiz gets a trainer that will make him the number 1 priority.

I think a lot of people judge Mayweather Sr for what happened to Hatton, but that was on Hatton. He stopped taking Hatton seriously when he would go to Lee Beard for advice & do training sessions with him. Mayweather Sr's mentality changed to "**** it, imma just get paid. What do you need me for if your gonna listen to him?" Hatton, the big draw controlled that training camp instead of letting Mayweather SR be the one in control.

[theflyest]

The fact that Sr. can train any fighter considered a foe to his son says it all about him. A father should never train a potential opponent for his son. Sr. trained Oscar, Hatton, was willing to train Khan now he's training Ortiz. Sure Ortiz may never face Floyd again but Sr. still is a sorry excuse for a father. Money should never come before family. It's clear that Sr. has a problem with his son's success. Jack Mosley or Angel Garcia would never train a potential opponent for their sons.

It's just business. Ortiz will never get another Mayweather fight again. Mayweather Sr will never train a fighter against his son. If that's the case, he would have trained Oscar against Floyd, which was a mega fight. Sr decided to price himself out as a way to stay out of it.

[bojangles1987]

The fact that Sr. can train any fighter considered a foe to his son says it all about him. A father should never train a potential opponent for his son. Sr. trained Oscar, Hatton, was willing to train Khan now he's training Ortiz. Sure Ortiz may never face Floyd again but Sr. still is a sorry excuse for a father. Money should never come before family. It's clear that Sr. has a problem with his son's success. Jack Mosley or Angel Garcia would never train a potential opponent for their sons.

Yeah, you don't even have to pay that much attention to see that Floyd Sr. and Jr. have serious problems with each other, that almost certainly stem from Sr.

He almost certainly wants to be known as the mastermind behind his son's success, and bristles at the fact that he isn't. Hell, more people give Roger credit for Floyd than they do Floyd Sr.

[bojangles1987]

How do you know these things and make assumptions like this? Let me tell you what Floyd Sr is thought of in the boxing training world, he is extremely respected and knows his stuff. Roger is not.

Floyd Sr. knows how to train, he's just rough around the edges and demands the best of his fighters. DLH said he was the best motivator of any trainer he's ever had.

I think it's a perfect fit for Ortiz because that's what he needs to get his career back on track, a no BS type trainer that isn't going to coddle him and he isn't familiar with.

That will make Ortiz shut down. Guaranteed.

[GRUSTLER]

The fact that Sr. can train any fighter considered a foe to his son says it all about him. A father should never train a potential opponent for his son. Sr. trained Oscar, Hatton, was willing to train Khan now he's training Ortiz. Sure Ortiz may never face Floyd again but Sr. still is a sorry excuse for a father. Money should never come before family. It's clear that Sr. has a problem with his son's success. Jack Mosley or Angel Garcia would never train a potential opponent for their sons.

Hey man..... You are going too far because Floyd Sr purposely priced himself out of the Mayweather/De La Hoya fight so he would not have to train Oscar against his son. What you are talking is not true. Floyd finished off Hatton long before, Ortiz ain't good enough to execute a plan to beat Mayweather and Khan would get taxed too. At the end of the day. Sr has to make money and his son ain't even trying to hear him and always talk down to the man. Fam is family but even family gotta eat.

[GRUSTLER]

What Ortiz is missing, no trainer can provide. Just like Khan. If Ortiz had Khan's heart & Khan had Ortiz's chin, they'd both be better fighters!!

This is true.

[GRUSTLER]

How do you know these things and make assumptions like this? Let me tell you what Floyd Sr is thought of in the boxing training world, he is extremely respected and knows his stuff. Roger is not.

Floyd Sr. knows how to train, he's just rough around the edges and demands the best of his fighters. DLH said he was the best motivator of any trainer he's ever had.

I think it's a perfect fit for Ortiz because that's what he needs to get his career back on track, a no BS type trainer that isn't going to coddle him and he isn't familiar with.

While that may be true. Sr could not do anything for Hatton.