Comments Thread For: Koncz: 55-45 is Real, Mayweather Likely Not Interested

[J The UnBiased]

calling out fighters and fighting them are 2 diffrent things..floyd is known to bark a lot but he's not known to bite...

Floyd didn't back out of a Mosley fight because of a toothache, Shane did.
Floyd didn't say Shane was too good to fight, Freddie Roach and Pacquiao did. Don't be clueless.

[puga]

Floyd didn't back out of a Mosley fight because of a toothache, Shane did.
Floyd didn't say Shane was too good to fight, Freddie Roach and Pacquiao did. Don't be clueless.

thats the thing ..shane has fought the who's who...floyd has'nt so you cant really fault the guy whose fought the best...i blame the one with coward rep which is floyd

[Carpe Diem]

Vivek W.: As always, I think it's all a matter of perspective. We keep seeing the same trends, yet few take mental notes to comprehend them in the end. I have a request for everyone reading this: Archive every single article out there on the web where Pacquiao made these type of concessions for a Mayweather fight, and you'll realize they all have one common thread. They happened when Mayweather had a fight already signed and pending, or when Pacquiao already had a fight signed and pending. Another eye opening stat is that this position has been spoken, yet NEVER in the presence of Bob Arum, and never agreed to by Bob Arum. Which tells me that as long as Pacquiao is under his umbrella, no matter what he says, the fight isn't happening if this is a necessary condition.

Arum has not and will not be changing his position any time soon when it comes to accepting a smaller portion of the purse. What baffles me is that Steven A. Smith, Skip Bayless, and all of these other part-time fight personalities that ESPN puts on television ask questions, but none ask the ones necessary to get to the bottom of the true core issues so that the big audience they have on such a platform can be properly informed. Not once! Perfect example: We continue to hear that Pacquiao has agreed to take a smaller purse. Why hasn't any one of them (or anyone else in the media) asked Bob Arum this question about a man who is an employee to Arum, and has a legal binding contract that says he must follow the orders of Arum (to a large extent)?

Secondly: If we're going to get into trends, when is someone going to identify the fact that this whole concession-confession presents a picture Mayweather has tried to tell the world from day one. What is that position? The fact that he's the bigger draw and will continue to demand accordingly when it comes to the negotiation table with not only Pacquiao, but anyone else. When Mayweather initially stated that he wanted a certain kind of drug test with certain parameters, it was because he felt (and was correct based on heads on numbers) that he was the bigger draw. This was his one and only request, and it was denied, despite him agreeing to several others (gloves, weight, ring size, etc). The fight never happened. It later evolved to other demands, and each time, they were shot down, and the fight never happened.

Here we are again.....he has taken time off......came back and put up monstrous numbers and a monstrous performance to uphold his position at the table, and suddenly, Pacquiao is openly admitting that Mayweather does in fact have the upper hand, because nothing else would explain his decision to change that. Think about that. Everyone is talking about the fact that Pacquiao has conceded to the lower purse, but no one is talking about the fact that it's a flat out concession that Mayweather owns the upper hand position at the negotiating table like he always said he has. The only time a marquee fighter would take such a position is when he knows he has no other card left to play.

Am I thee only one who understands this? No. But I've yet to see it printed that way or spoken by the headlining voices of ESPN, HBO, The Ring, or any of these other notable sources in the sport. Do they see it, yet for political reasons not say it? I would say absolutely. But whatever it may be, it doesn't change the fact that it is what it is. There are many things about Mayweather that rub me wrong, but whether it's the drug testing protocol, the fight purse, the location, or whatever, bottom line is that he has always asked for what he wanted, like any other cash cow, and as long as he has the traceable data to support those requests, no one can deny him the right to ask.

Oscar did it. Pacquiao did it. Tyson did it. You may not like Floyd, but he's doing it too! So to answer your question, NO, I don't think he's holding up the fight. I think poor media representation from around the sport has given the average fight fan like yourself reason to think he didn't have room to ask for things Pacquiao has now confirmed he had the right to ask for. Sucks that this confirmation didn't come until after Pacquiao had a dancing partner. Lets see if Arum agrees....and lets see if Arum agrees when BOTH MEN are open. We see those two things happen, and ladies and gents.....we got ourselves a fight!

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article13293.html

[cuzzlo]

Money would prefer Pac to Alvarez and I'm a Floyd fan but I believe now he'll fight neither or Pac after Marquez, logic says if Marquez could nearly beat Pac then so should Floyd. That's why he made the indefinite statement when he came back.

[tlarry]

Floyd Wants Us To Believe It's Business; We Don't Understand The Business Or The Math

It's all smoke and mirrors, all image control, all profiling. Floyd has never wanted to fight Manny; way to risky. But he wants to sell the public, he's looked at the numbers, he's charted the PPV numbers. We (fans) couldn't possibly understand it all; Floyd is just that much more intelligent than common folk. Did it take Ray Leonard & Marvin Hagler that long to agree on terms? How about Hagler & Hearns? How about Leonard & Hearns? How about Leonard & Duran? How about Hearns & Duran? How about Pryor & Arguello? Is Floyd smarter than those Legends? No chance. Those legends wasted no time to agree to terms and get it on, and multiple times. Floyd made Cotto & Mosley wait more than 10 years to fight him for being too dangerous. Floyd wants us to believe it's numbers we wouldn't understand. He's made Manny wait for more than four years by now. Those two could have had two super fights behind them by now. Floyd needs to grow a pair. He tires of answering the same questions about why he won't fight Manny, so they play the spin game.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Vivek W.: As always, I think it's all a matter of perspective. We keep seeing the same trends, yet few take mental notes to comprehend them in the end. I have a request for everyone reading this: Archive every single article out there on the web where Pacquiao made these type of concessions for a Mayweather fight, and you'll realize they all have one common thread. They happened when Mayweather had a fight already signed and pending, or when Pacquiao already had a fight signed and pending. Another eye opening stat is that this position has been spoken, yet NEVER in the presence of Bob Arum, and never agreed to by Bob Arum. Which tells me that as long as Pacquiao is under his umbrella, no matter what he says, the fight isn't happening if this is a necessary condition.

Arum has not and will not be changing his position any time soon when it comes to accepting a smaller portion of the purse. What baffles me is that Steven A. Smith, Skip Bayless, and all of these other part-time fight personalities that ESPN puts on television ask questions, but none ask the ones necessary to get to the bottom of the true core issues so that the big audience they have on such a platform can be properly informed. Not once! Perfect example: We continue to hear that Pacquiao has agreed to take a smaller purse. Why hasn't any one of them (or anyone else in the media) asked Bob Arum this question about a man who is an employee to Arum, and has a legal binding contract that says he must follow the orders of Arum (to a large extent)?

Secondly: If we're going to get into trends, when is someone going to identify the fact that this whole concession-confession presents a picture Mayweather has tried to tell the world from day one. What is that position? The fact that he's the bigger draw and will continue to demand accordingly when it comes to the negotiation table with not only Pacquiao, but anyone else. When Mayweather initially stated that he wanted a certain kind of drug test with certain parameters, it was because he felt (and was correct based on heads on numbers) that he was the bigger draw. This was his one and only request, and it was denied, despite him agreeing to several others (gloves, weight, ring size, etc). The fight never happened. It later evolved to other demands, and each time, they were shot down, and the fight never happened.

Here we are again.....he has taken time off......came back and put up monstrous numbers and a monstrous performance to uphold his position at the table, and suddenly, Pacquiao is openly admitting that Mayweather does in fact have the upper hand, because nothing else would explain his decision to change that. Think about that. Everyone is talking about the fact that Pacquiao has conceded to the lower purse, but no one is talking about the fact that it's a flat out concession that Mayweather owns the upper hand position at the negotiating table like he always said he has. The only time a marquee fighter would take such a position is when he knows he has no other card left to play.

Am I thee only one who understands this? No. But I've yet to see it printed that way or spoken by the headlining voices of ESPN, HBO, The Ring, or any of these other notable sources in the sport. Do they see it, yet for political reasons not say it? I would say absolutely. But whatever it may be, it doesn't change the fact that it is what it is. There are many things about Mayweather that rub me wrong, but whether it's the drug testing protocol, the fight purse, the location, or whatever, bottom line is that he has always asked for what he wanted, like any other cash cow, and as long as he has the traceable data to support those requests, no one can deny him the right to ask.

Oscar did it. Pacquiao did it. Tyson did it. You may not like Floyd, but he's doing it too! So to answer your question, NO, I don't think he's holding up the fight. I think poor media representation from around the sport has given the average fight fan like yourself reason to think he didn't have room to ask for things Pacquiao has now confirmed he had the right to ask for. Sucks that this confirmation didn't come until after Pacquiao had a dancing partner. Lets see if Arum agrees....and lets see if Arum agrees when BOTH MEN are open. We see those two things happen, and ladies and gents.....we got ourselves a fight!

http://www.fighthype.com/news/article13293.html

Why even ask for phony tests when manny is just an ordinary, one dimensional, easy fight, easy work midget?

[Bullrider]

They happened when Mayweather had a fight already signed and pending, or when Pacquiao already had a fight signed and pending.

Floyd can never recover because of people like you. Mayweather is his own boss. He can fight Paq anytime he wants to. Why? Because he wants to. Even God can't stop Floyd from fighting anybody if he wants to. He doesn't want to. Clear as day.

50 Cent:

"I look at Floyd as my younger brother. You know he earns so much that he just...he spend...just run around and spend, do what he wants. So there's no urgency to anything and when the communication breaks and starts to not be...Look, my concept of TMT is the fight you wanna see...Floyd and Manny Pacquiao. It's actually building the company...we'd build the excitement that keeps Floyd conscious of what's good for business as oppose to...that he go? Then I can sacrifice the..."

Koncz:

"...Floyd has his agenda and he has a right to make his decisions on his timeline and we respect that. On the other hand, we don't want to sit idle either. Some boxers can sit for months at a time and not be affected by that."

[Ringlife]

It should be a 60 / 40 split Mayweather I would think thats fair. Now the thing is will Mayweather say he wants to fight at 154 or 147. I really don't think Mayweather wants the fight with Pac to happen.

[Mr. Philadel]

Kinda like how Floyd demanded for may 5th without talking to team PAC??

or kinda like Bob Arum putting up a countdown clock without talking to Team Mayweather?!?....get lost lil' man, let the big boys exchange theories...somebody come escort shorty to the master thread aka the playground....I don't know how he got in without a ID check!!

go sit ya young ass down!!!

[sdcluser]

****!!!! WTF did 50 cent tell Manny. This is weird.