I've never seen such a talented prospect

[HeroBando]

I agree with Donaire being highly over-rated. How he's so high on many of these P4P lists baffles me.

I'm pretty sold on Rigondeaux though. I do agree he's not as active or agressive as he could and should be, but I think his current style still allows him to be the best in the division. I can't see anything but Donaire walking onto counters constantly and getting a boxing lesson if that fight happened.

It's really simple:

1. Has 2 p4p top 10 scalps, 1 last year. How many other p4pers can say the same, 2-3?
2. Titles over 4 weight classes.
3. You'd have to look way back to find his last opponent that never held a title. That is, no Macklins, Barkers, Bikas, Allan Greens on his ledger

[dan_cov]

Ridiculous that you're boosting fringe top 30 guys like Casey and Kennedy, and ****ting on Mathebula, who's:

1. A former olympian
2. A titleholder. No chance of those 2 winning world belts
3. Robbed by then Ring p4p rated, unified champ Caballero in Panama. It's a hell of lot better than getting robbed by feeble Sturm, for example

Not sure what Sturm has to do with anything really but if you're on about Felix Sturm he was olympian himself and competed in the same olympics as Mathebula funnily enough, a two time world champion and absolutely lightyears ahead of Mathebula who is one of the technically worst boxers in boxing history. Sturm IS a decent fighter.

Mathebula is no better than Casey or Kennedy and if he is its not by much at all.
Rigondeaux destroyed both guys Casey in 1, Kennedy in 6 in one of the most one sided fights in history. Donaire went life & death with Mathebula.
He also looked dog**** against a 112lb, 5ft2 Narvarez and looked mediocre against Vazquez Jr who Arce handled with ease and stopped.

[dan_cov]

It's really simple:

1. Has 2 p4p top 10 scalps, 1 last year. How many other p4pers can say the same, 2-3?
2. Titles over 4 weight classes.
3. You'd have to look way back to find his last opponent that never held a title. That is, no Macklins, Barkers, Bikas, Allan Greens on his ledger

He has never beaten a single top 10 p4p at all, top 10 p4p on your list maybe but not on any realists.
Titles over 4 classes because he is a huge guy picking on midgets.

He now fights guys his own size, barely top 20 and looks crap because he is overrated.

You can go on about Rigondeauxs competition as much as you like but Mathebula, Vazquez Jr, Narvarez, hes hardly fighting great competition himself now is he? Not exactly what you'd call murderers row.

[dan_cov]

Whatever Mathebula has done, Rigondeaux has already surpassed in only 11 fights.

You say Rigondeaux hasn't done anything etc yet you justify him fighting Mathebula, funny ****. I mean who the fcuk is Mathebula? 95% of this board had never even heard of him, they fought he was a long distance runner or some ****.

If he has such a weak resume and such then it should be an easy win for Donaire, why worry? It'll be an easy title seeing Rigondeaux is so bad and hasn't fought anybody and has a fragile chin

Donaire is terrified of Rigondeaux, its why when questioned he replies ''E-er-oh-argh I'm not scared of him'' and makes a truck load of excuses.

Nocheato Conaire is a fraud, after he fights this near 40yr old on the slide, watch him fly too 126 once again avoiding the best and falling through with his promises to clean up etc
He can then run upto 130 once Gamboa calls his ass out.

[HeroBando]

Not sure what Sturm has to do with anything really but if you're on about Felix Sturm he was olympian himself and competed in the same olympics as Mathebula funnily enough, a two time world champion and absolutely lightyears ahead of Mathebula who is one of the technically worst boxers in boxing history. Sturm IS a decent fighter.

Mathebula is no better than Casey or Kennedy and if he is its not by much at all.
Rigondeaux destroyed both guys Casey in 1, Kennedy in 6 in one of the most one sided fights in history. Donaire went life & death with Mathebula.
He also looked dog**** against a 112lb, 5ft2 Narvarez and looked mediocre against Vazquez Jr who Arce handled with ease and stopped.

I'm comparing Math's accomplishment vs Caba to Macklin's vs Sturm, it's superior. Casey and Kennedy have/will never win a world title, nor have/will they get robbed by a p4per. Of course, it's your rankings and you can do as you wish. Don't forget to include Fedchenko, nice technique

[HeroBando]

He has never beaten a single top 10 p4p at all, top 10 p4p on your list maybe but not on any realists.
Titles over 4 classes because he is a huge guy picking on midgets.

He now fights guys his own size, barely top 20 and looks crap because he is overrated.

You can go on about Rigondeauxs competition as much as you like but Mathebula, Vazquez Jr, Narvarez, hes hardly fighting great competition himself now is he? Not exactly what you'd call murderers row.

Both Montiel and Vic were p4p rated by the Ring, Vic shortly after getting knocked out by Donaire. I know you don't care about such rankings, Vic trails Casey and Kennedy in yours due to inferior technique

[dan_cov]

Both Montiel and Vic were p4p rated by the Ring, Vic shortly after getting knocked out by Donaire. I know you don't care about such rankings, Vic trails Casey and Kennedy in yours due to inferior technique

The Darchinyan fight whilst I think he is just another smaller guy I do give Donaire credit for. That IMO is his best win & mainly because Vic has come back and had some good success at the higher weights.

The problem really is he is still living off that win which was 5 years ago and IMO its crazy this guy was fighting at 112 or even 115 for that matter.


I mean whats a 5ft6 1/2 guy with a 68" reach that walks around at at least 135 doing at 112?

[HeroBando]

The Darchinyan fight whilst I think he is just another smaller guy I do give Donaire credit for. That IMO is his best win & mainly because Vic has come back and had some good success at the higher weights.

The problem really is he is still living off that win which was 5 years ago and IMO its crazy this guy was fighting at 112 or even 115 for that matter.


I mean whats a 5ft6 1/2 guy with a 68" reach that walks around at at least 135 doing at 112?

Oh so now boxing has height classes? How much credit do you give PWill, as a boxer? That's Sergio's best win by far, right, the only top 20 p4p scalp he's got. What do you think about Hearns, just another bully needing to pick on the midgets? But unlike PWill, at least his technique was clean.

[dan_cov]

Oh so now boxing has height classes? How much credit do you give PWill, as a boxer? That's Sergio's best win by far, right, the only top 20 p4p scalp he's got. What do you think about Hearns, just another bully needing to pick on the midgets? But unlike PWill, at least his technique was clean.

Its a combination of height, size, weight & reach.

Huge difference & even more so in the lower weights.

In fact fcuk it, you're right lets just scrap the weight divisions & have done with it.

When you've got guys like Donaire with 5" in height, 6-8" reach and 15-20lb fight night weight advantages, why bother?
Or why don't the punk just go where he belongs and fight someone his own size at lightweight? Apart from the obvious fact being he wouldn't last two minutes.

I'll tell you why its because your gutless Filipino idol is only good for picking on guys half his size very much like his idol and fellow TR puppet did throughout the early stages of his career only he couldn't get away with the dehydration Donaire has got away with.

[MRBOOMER]

11 pro fights and already beaten two former world champions. A world title in only his 8th pro outing.

Corboda is a very awkward, big & tough southpaw who nobody has ever had an easy time with.
Casey is a solid prospect, undefeated at the time & came in with a big K.O ratio.
Ramos was a 20-0 world champion.
Teon Kennedy has a massive freakishly long reach he uses very well & had never been down and arguably should of been undefeated.
Marroquinn was 21-1 had a great amateur career defeating the likes of Gary Russell Jr & Adrien Broner, he too had a K.O ratio in excess of 70%

He has only fought guys with winning records & holds the record for his opposition having the highest win-to-loss ratio of any fighter to ever live, beating Oscars record.

How can you knock his resume? How could you ask for more than he has already done?

Ramos was garbage I've never said that about any fighter but he sucks