What's the difference

[Clegg]

There's an interview where Khan's description of Peterson during their fight fits perfectly with Roger Mayweather's bizarre description of Pacquiao in his interview (thing about bullets bouncing off).

I'm just saying, Khan's description of Peterson kind of backs up what Roger was saying about guys turning into terminators.

And it's complete bullshit.

Khan said he was shocked that Peterson got up from 2 KDs to come back strongly and win rounds, because he saw nothing like that in any of the videos he watched of him. This only shows how ****** Khan is because LP came back from 2 KDs against Ortiz and won enough rounds to get a draw, and he came back from a KD against Bradley by going all-out to throw as many shots as possible and impose his will on the remainder of the round.

The fact that Khan and Roger both say the exact same ******-as-fuck thing proves nothing other than that they both have a habit of saying ****** things.

[Clegg]

Wards win over Froch and kessler are better than his win versus Dawson. Dawson wasn't special it was just that hbo built it up.

Dawson is a timid fighter, and when he fought Ward he had no energy, he didn't even throw any jabs or enough to even have ward have to counter over it much, yet the bias HBO crew said he took chads jab away? Chad is classy but he said Ward didnt even want to negotiate a catchweight with him before this fight happened.

Yet nobody ever gave credit to Pacman for taking Cottos jab, instead they said why did Cotto stop throwing the jabs.....because pacman took that away by using the lead left and timed it.

They also say Clottey would have won if he threw more punches, this is the crap that I hate hearing, because if Clottey did open up he even said himself he would get killed, thats why guys dont open up with Pacman he gets the better of you in exchanges, every time JMM got dropped was him trying to mix it up.

Its seriously sick how so many people hate on Manny, they have to find a reason to hate on the guy. If he sucks so much than eery fighter he beat must really suck and should never get into the hall of fame right for letting a guy who sucks beat them?

Stop being such a ****ing crybaby. Boohoo a bunch of annoying people are criticising a fighter you like, welcome to NSB. You joined in 2005 and you're still whining about this kind of thing.

Some people give enough Pac credit, some don't. Some give too much credit.
Some people give Ward enough credit, some don't. Some give too much credit.

If you are fixated on the people who give Pac too little credit and the people who give Ward too much credit then you should go and see a therapist or something, because there are enough people on here who are the exact opposite to balance it out.

Dawson is more skilled and probably a better fighter than anyone Pacquaio has beaten in quite some time. Ward has just been on the kind of run that no current fighter (Pac, Floyd or whoever else you want to mention) can match, he's earned his praise as much as anyone.

[-PBP-]

has nothing to do with the thread, its about weight issues not titles.

if you want to go there, I know for sure that if Pac did the same thing ward did and fought a fighter coming down a division so the fighter could fight for Pacs belt, all hell would break loose, and they wouldn't give him credit for the win, if its not catch weights its steroids or fixed fights or the guy was drained.

Ward can work with Victor Conte and still get a pass, but when Nonito uses conte they were saying he is on drugs.

These are the same ones crying victim and claiming bias, yet they are bias toward their own fighters and hate anyone else who isn't their own. They feel its ok for them to discredit everyone else especially pacquiao, but only give credit to a guy they like and if anyone discredits the guys they like they will play victim (yall just haters card) and race cards.

Oh, so your turning this into a race issue?

Well you obviously have ulterior motives and it goes deeper than Ward vs. Dawson. That clears up a lot.

[HeroBando]

Stop being such a ****ing crybaby. Boohoo a bunch of annoying people are criticising a fighter you like, welcome to NSB. You joined in 2005 and you're still whining about this kind of thing.

Some people give enough Pac credit, some don't. Some give too much credit.
Some people give Ward enough credit, some don't. Some give too much credit.

If you are fixated on the people who give Pac too little credit and the people who give Ward too much credit then you should go and see a therapist or something, because there are enough people on here who are the exact opposite to balance it out.

Dawson is more skilled and probably a better fighter than anyone Pacquaio has beaten in quite some time. Ward has just been on the kind of run that no current fighter (Pac, Floyd or whoever else you want to mention) can match, he's earned his praise as much as anyone.

That Dawson? How can we be sure, he was outperformed by every Ward opponent in a long time, including Allan Green and Miranda. DLH won 4 rounds off prime Floyd shortly before the Pac fight, wonder what went wrong there.

[hectari]

Stop being such a ****ing crybaby. Boohoo a bunch of annoying people are criticising a fighter you like, welcome to NSB. You joined in 2005 and you're still whining about this kind of thing.

Some people give enough Pac credit, some don't. Some give too much credit.
Some people give Ward enough credit, some don't. Some give too much credit.

If you are fixated on the people who give Pac too little credit and the people who give Ward too much credit then you should go and see a therapist or something, because there are enough people on here who are the exact opposite to balance it out.

Dawson is more skilled and probably a better fighter than anyone Pacquaio has beaten in quite some time. Ward has just been on the kind of run that no current fighter (Pac, Floyd or whoever else you want to mention) can match, he's earned his praise as much as anyone.

I ain't crying. Just calling them out on their hypocrisy.

[Clegg]

That Dawson? How can we be sure, he was outperformed by every Ward opponent in a long time, including Allan Green and Miranda. DLH won 4 rounds off prime Floyd shortly before the Pac fight, wonder what went wrong there.

That's a fair point, but as you infer it comes down to how much people think the weight affected Dawson's performance. I think he was closer to his A game than DLH, but he certainly didn't seem to be at his best. I stand by my overall view, that Ward has just been on a more challenging and fearless run than anyone in the sport and has earned the praise he's getting.

[hectari]

Oh, so your turning this into a race issue?

Well you obviously have ulterior motives and it goes deeper than Ward vs. Dawson. That clears up a lot.

Actually you are trying to put it on me, nice slick move there but you just described the people I am talking about They have ulterior motives and make it about race, that is why they give certain fighters passses but attack those who don't look like them for the same **** the fighters they like do.

[Kagami Taiga]

Lol. As expected. Ppl are predictable on this site. Not true boxing fans at all. Ward is the 168lb champ, fights at 168 against the 172 lb champ and gets no credit. U can always tell the ppl who have only been following the sport on a limited basis. Like I said earlier, u can literally go thru history and ouch apart all of the vest fights in history and do the same thing. A buncha bellyaching women.

[Sweet Pea 50]

Actually you are trying to put it on me, nice slick move there but you just described the people I am talking about They have ulterior motives and make it about race, that is why they give certain fighters passses but attack those who don't look like them for the same **** the fighters they like do.

You are seriously a bitter person. Get help.

[boliodogs]

In Ward's win over Dawson and Pacquiao's catch weight fights?
Both fighter's wanted to go down in weight and Pacquiao has been labeled as a drainer.
I'm confused, because some of the same people who're saying weight had nothing to do with Ward's victory are the same ones who say Pacquiao only won certain fights because he drained people.
It was only like a week or two ago the boards were filled with Pacquiao and his draining tactics.

The most bogus criticisms of the whole CW thing are when it comes to the DLH fight. I hear constantly how Pac drained Oscar - but have people really forgotten that DLH cherrypicked Pac and made him move up essentially 3 weight divisions?(he had only one fight at LW at that point).

If that revisionism isn't bad enough, then they outright lie about rehydration clauses that Pac supposedly had against Cotto, DLH, and Hatton.

First thing - if Ricky was subject to a rehydration clause, we'd have heard it from Ricky right after he'd woken up from the canvas.

Secondly, from what I remember, all his talk about hydration clauses was propagated by the Mayweather family - you know, the same family who accused Pac on being on some mystical 500 year old war drug

Great post. All of it is the truth. If there was a rehydration clause those fighters would have told the world about it.