Is the US really no longer a boxing powerhouse?

[The Gambler1981]

Except for the heavyweight division everything is pretty good in relation to the US place in the sport. There were always quality boxers from other places, the only real difference is the US hasn't produced a decent heavyweight since Chris Byrd, a true physical specimen at heavy since Rid**** Bowe or a really great heavy since Evander.

Eventually there will be a slump buster~

[StarshipTrooper]

Tunney and friends are displaying some serious butthurt over in the "other" thread :chuckle9:

Poet

[Check]

Of course America is a threat in boxing and JAB brings out some big numbers to back it. All the Europeans can do is assume things like traveling taking a toll on a fighter, or their disagreement with judging or reffing. Get over yourselves and pay credit where credit is due. You'll never have as many talented fighters as we do so stick it up your ass and keep crying BOOM!

[DeadLikeMe]

The UK is on the rise in greater range of weight classes than most other countries. I think they'll surpass japan in the near future for top 10 ranked fighters and start closing ground on Mexico and the US. Their boxing scene has exploded in the last 20 years.

It is hard to even rate Japanese fighters though because it is near impossible to get them off the island.

[BetterCallSaul]

The U.S is a rich world leader, with a huge population. Of course they are a powerhouse of boxing.

In the next 20 years their star will fade but will never go out. Simply put, boxing is now a global sport. Eastern Europe is producing some very well schooled fighters that combine American style aggression with European efficiency, while India and South America are becoming increasingly relevant as their amateur scenes begin to blossom.

America isn't losing steam other countries are just catching up. Their inhabitants can now afford to train at the boxing gym instead of working long days to feed their families. That combined with huge investment in gyms and infrastructure will inevitably produce more boxers capable of competing at world level.

We should embrace the change in power. Vegas will always have a place in boxing folklore, but I'd love to see a major PPV involving an American fighter live from Moscow, New Delhi or Rio instead of the typical HBO produced American fare.

[JAB5239]

The U.S is a rich world leader, with a huge population. Of course they are a powerhouse of boxing.

In the next 20 years their star will fade but will never go out. Simply put, boxing is now a global sport. Eastern Europe is producing some very well schooled fighters that combine American style aggression with European efficiency, while India and South America are becoming increasingly relevant as their amateur scenes begin to blossom.

America isn't losing steam other countries are just catching up. Their inhabitants can now afford to train at the boxing gym instead of working long days to feed their families. That combined with huge investment in gyms and infrastructure will inevitably produce more boxers capable of competing at world level.

We should embrace the change in power. Vegas will always have a place in boxing folklore, but I'd love to see a major PPV involving an American fighter live from Moscow, New Delhi or Rio instead of the typical HBO produced American fare.

Other countries are certainly catching up, it would be remiss to suggest otherwise. But America is also losing steam. We have less gyms in America and less professional fighters than 50 years ago.

[JAB5239]

Timmeh and friends are displaying some serious butthurt over in the "other" thread :chuckle9:

Poet

That thread is a pathetic mess of nationalistic baiting, which is all it was designed for. I see very few facts from those arguing against the idea the football and basketballs popularity have hurt boxing in terms of the best athletes entering it. I haven't see anyone bring up college and economic reasons. Someone correct me if Im wrong, but isn't college in Europe free or at least much cheaper than it is here? I know it is very expensive here and boxing is not amongst the sports you can receive scholarship money. From an early age kids are exposed to football and basketball in school. Sports is also the easiest way to an education for those who can't afford it. I know thousands and thousands of scholarships are given out every year for football and basketball. How many are given out for boxing in the US. So its just ridiculous to think that hasn't had an impact on our larger fighters. As the world opens up of course it will gain ground on whoever is in the lead at ANYTHING, that's just how the cookie crumbles. But to think there are no other contributing factors is just ignorance.

[StarshipTrooper]

That thread is a pathetic mess of nationalistic baiting, which is all it was designed for. I see very few facts from those arguing against the idea the football and basketballs popularity have hurt boxing in terms of the best athletes entering it. I haven't see anyone bring up college and economic reasons. Someone correct me if Im wrong, but isn't college in Europe free or at least much cheaper than it is here? I know it is very expensive here and boxing is not amongst the sports you can receive scholarship money. From an early age kids are exposed to football and basketball in school. Sports is also the easiest way to an education for those who can't afford it. I know thousands and thousands of scholarships are given out every year for football and basketball. How many are given out for boxing in the US. So its just ridiculous to think that hasn't had an impact on our larger fighters. As the world opens up of course it will gain ground on whoever is in the lead at ANYTHING, that's just how the cookie crumbles. But to think there are no other contributing factors is just ignorance.

Tunney has already let slip his agenda in the other thread by insinuating that every black fighter who's on top is only there because he's cheating. His white supremacy agenda is pretty damn obvious. Now watch, as soon as someone calls him on his racism he'll delete the post before he can cop a ban for it. >>>>>

Superfeatherweight: Adrien Broner needed a weight advantage to beat a journeyman in his last fight

Light Welterweight: Timothy Bradley really lost to Pacquiao, 1 KO in 10 fights

Welterweight: Floyd Mayweather Jr Getting old now, there is NO new Floyd coming up

Supermidleweight: Andre Ward Azazel needs to fight at home to get away with his headbutts & holding

Light Heavyweight: Chad Dawson fought old men except when he lost to Pascal

130- Who beats Broner @ super featherweight??? He can't make super featherweight! He'll lose at 140 fighting men his own size

140 - If it's not bradley its Danny garcia because khan was the best @ 140. to be fair, Danny Garcia IS very impressive

147- yes hes getting old but still dominating. he only fights once a year now - who will replace him as an elite boxer in the lighter divisions?

154- i like how you skipped it cause floyds the best there too. and getting old as Methusaleh

168- really? He is unbeatable in a pretty stacked division. You sound a little upset he'd lose if he didn't always fight at home, with those shady refs to let him cheat (or in Europe with the stringent PED testing that might reveal what Victor Conte's help was)

175- Either dawson or Bhop who is almost 50.. pretty embarrassing for non-Americans. B-Hop is very close to retirement

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=561523

[JAB5239]

Tunney has already let slip his agenda in the other thread by insinuating that every black fighter who's on top is only there because he's cheating. His white supremacy agenda is pretty damn obvious. Now watch, as soon as someone calls him on his racism he'll delete the post before he can cop a ban for it. >>>>>

Everyone already knows his agenda. He's not even debating, just fanning the fire over there. Im looking for logical reason why I may be wrong. No agenda's, just reasonable debate. I guess most of the guys siding with him in that thread don't want the challenge of trying to explain their stances.....figures!

[The Future]

Those numbers are not relevant. Boxing was not a "world" sport than as it is today according to many on this site. My only purpose with this thread is to combat the nationalistic hate for the United States with the simple fact that the US is still amongst the elite even in its decline. 20 years from now the numbers I provided just might be meaningless, but as it stands today they are facts, and that isn't even talking about the popularity decline of the sport here and explosion of interest in it amongst other countries.

It was basicly a word sport then also. Just cause a few countries did not let there boxers go pro does not make a big difference. Cuban boxers still can't.

But besides that, USA will always be a power house.....people are saying they are falling off because of the olympics failures, but ameture boxing is so different then pro. Also amature boxing is going back to no head gear and no longer going to be using that ****** point system and Americans seem to have more of a pro style so they will be fine.

American heavyweights are toast though.