Is the US really no longer a boxing powerhouse?

[JAB5239]

no you have haters coz ur usually arrogant twats that think the world revoles around America

jus sayin

It usually does in the boxing world, isn't that why Vasyl Lomachenko said he wants to fight professionally here rather than eastern Europe? I think you're judging America as a whole based on a political agenda though that has no factual basis or bearing on how well the US performs in the boxing ring. Just a guess biased on your post.

[JAB5239]

I know this takes the thread on slight detour, but it must be said that the US traditionally has done a 'great' job of sweeping PED cases under the carpet and only handing out symbolic punishments if any.

A fair point, but that just means anyone can come here and take advantage of lax testing. I'm not saying its right, only that the playing field is the same for any fighter coming here minus the home crowd.

[BattlingNelson]

A fair point, but that just means anyone can come here and take advantage of lax testing. I'm not saying its right, only that the playing field is the same for any fighter coming here minus the home crowd.

Come on now. Not everybody wants to expose their bodies to the doping dangers, and it would also mean that Fighters from Europe would have to set up the entire training Camp in America so they can get the full benefit of the PED without being in danger of being tested as they would be in Europe.

[JAB5239]

Come on now. Not everybody wants to expose their bodies to the doping dangers, and it would also mean that Fighters from Europe would have to set up the entire training Camp in America so they can get the full benefit of the PED without being in danger of being tested as they would be in Europe.

I have no doubt most fighters are or have used PED's. All I'm saying is everyone knows what's up and if they decide to come here its a level field. I don't condone it, and I also don't think every fighter who comes here faces this disadvantage. Does it happen? Sure. Does it happen in other countries? I have no doubt about it.

[StarshipTrooper]

It's nothing to do with talent, all nations have talented boxers. You deliberately ignored what I actually said and tried to make some other point.

It's the edges needed at the highest level of boxing and through venue, officials and the ability to call the shots generally due to financial position, all those edges go to the US fighter.

On top of it all, many of them are and have been roiding - right to the top level.

A good example is Jan Zaveck v Andre Berto.

Zaveck the IBF champion was forced to fight in the challenger's backyard flying 5,000 miles to fight, he was arguably winning the fight and loses his title as the fight is stopped due to Berto's headbutts with the ref taking no action. 6-7 months later Berto fails a drug test. Zaveck in limbo with no recompense and no big name opponents.

If Berto had to go to Slovenia to take on the champ you think it ends that way?

Another example is Khan v Peterson, again champion goes to challenger's backyard. Referee all over him deducting unprecedented points, hatman interfering with the scores and Khan losing a decision which most felt he won regardless. A couple of months later Peterson fails a drug test.

If Peterson fights Khan in England you think it ends that way?

This kind of stuff happens again and again, the US fighter is presented with all the advantages designed for him to win. Without those and being forced to travel more regularly their records would be much weaker. I'm not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere either, but the US fighters are able to get the big fights at home and that's a huge help.

Don't get me wrong, the US has some talented boxers but most also have an inherent silver spoon when it comes to competing in the pros.

Yeah, that's why Carl Froch admitted he needs home town decisions in Nottingham to win :jerk0ff9:

Poet

[BattlingNelson]

I have no doubt most fighters are or have used PED's. All I'm saying is everyone knows what's up and if they decide to come here its a level field. I don't condone it, and I also don't think every fighter who comes here faces this disadvantage. Does it happen? Sure. Does it happen in other countries? I have no doubt about it.

I Think most boxers are cheating as well. Particularly on your side of the Atlantic where the loopholes are far greater.

I want a clean sport. The germans are doing a lot in that regard. So far the yanks has done zilch or at least very, very little.

[StarshipTrooper]

I Think most boxers are cheating as well. Particularly on your side of the Atlantic where the loopholes are far greater.

I want a clean sport. The germans are doing a lot in that regard. So far the yanks has done zilch or at least very, very little.

Funny how the most recent stories of PED abuse have been coming out of the UK.....and it's just the tip of the iceberg. For ever dude that gets caught there's a dozen who haven't been.

Poet

[BattlingNelson]

Funny how the most recent stories of PED abuse have been coming out of the UK.....and it's just the tip of the iceberg. For ever dude that gets caught there's a dozen who haven't been.

Poet

So true.

Doesnt mean that the powers that be should stand around and do nothing.

[StarshipTrooper]

So true.

Doesnt mean that the powers that be should stand around and do nothing.

I can't argue with that. I'd like to see the sport clean as much as anyone else. I just don't expect it to happen as long as the "powers that be" that run sports world wide have a vested interest in business as usual. Right now they make money off athletes roiding up and as long as that continues they'll do no more than play lip service to cleaning up sports while making the odd example here and there so they can pretend to the public that they're "tough" on PED use.

Poet

[BattlingNelson]

I can't argue with that. I'd like to see the sport clean as much as anyone else. I just don't expect it to happen as long as the "powers that be" that run sports world wide have a vested interest in business as usual. Right now they make money off athletes roiding up and as long as that continues they'll do no more than play lip service to cleaning up sports while making the odd example here and there so they can pretend to the public that they're "tough" on PED use.

Poet

The stricter PED control in Germany is largely thanks to the televisioncompanies. I wont bother you with the history, but Sauerland had to make a testing scheme in coorporation with the german anti-doping federation in order to get their contract renewed.

So that might be the key. If HBO got pressured from their viewers, they could make the same demand towards the promotors they deal with.