Is the US really no longer a boxing powerhouse?

[JAB5239]

I'm not lazy...that shit takes hrs man and I actually want to enjoy my days off.

I had all that looked up and posted in about 15 total minutes. Tsk, tsk.

[Mr. Fantastic]

I had all that looked up and posted in about 15 total minutes. Tsk, tsk.

Yea ok suuuuurrrre.

[The Gambler1981]

Post some stuff to refute his statements then, if you challenge someone's facts in a debate you have to present your own.

Saying someones facts are garbage but I am to lazy to invest is not a winning debate strategy~

[JAB5239]

Yea ok suuuuurrrre.

Great rebuttal, you got me on the ropes now!

[JAB5239]

Post some stuff to refute his statements then, if you challenge someone's facts in a debate you have to present your own.

Saying someones facts are garbage but I am to lazy to invest is not a winning debate strategy~

He can't. There are arguments that can be presented against what I've posted but these guys aren't willing to apply themselves because if they can't figure it out it ruins their preconceived notions. Better just to live in their fantasy land where facts don't apply.

[Poet682006]

Everyone already knows his agenda. He's not even debating, just fanning the fire over there. Im looking for logical reason why I may be wrong. No agenda's, just reasonable debate. I guess most of the guys siding with him in that thread don't want the challenge of trying to explain their stances.....figures!

Speaking of which, since when can a poster block a mod from a thread? :thinking9:

Poet

[#1Assassin]

Yeah 50k is an incredible amount.


The British seem to be among the most loyal of nationalities when it comes to boxing.


Outside of Mayweather there is no real American boxer who is a big draw. Who would be the second biggest draw in American boxing? Bradley? Ward? Dawson?

call me crazy but i acctually think hopkins is the second biggest american draw atm. hes got the second biggest name, is a legend and its literally history in the making everytime he fights bcuz of his age alone. hes not a huge draw but like you say there are few american draws atm.

its not that america doesnt produce stars its just that its been an alternation of generation. alot of the biggest names in american boxing retired or can no longer compete at the highest level anymore. DLH, RJJ, mosley, tarver, toney, holyfield etc all fell off only a few years apart. hopkins is the last one standing and the new generation havent been able to establish their names just yet amongst mainstream fans, but with the talent out there its just a matter of time.

the ward-dawson winner will take a big step in terms of popularity, maybe the loser too. broner is doing good numbers and will be a huge attraction in a few years imo.

[SirTomJones]

call me crazy but i acctually think hopkins is the second biggest american draw atm. hes got the second biggest name, is a legend and its literally history in the making everytime he fights bcuz of his age alone. hes not a huge draw but like you say there are few american draws atm.

its not that america doesnt produce stars its just that its been an alternation of generation. alot of the biggest names in american boxing retired or can no longer compete at the highest level anymore. DLH, RJJ, mosley, tarver, toney, holyfield etc all fell off only a few years apart. hopkins is the last one standing and the new generation havent been able to establish their names just yet amongst mainstream fans, but with the talent out there its just a matter of time.

the ward-dawson winner will take a big step in terms of popularity, maybe the loser too. broner is doing good numbers and will be a huge attraction in a few years imo.

I think the way in which Ward boxes prevents him from being huge.

Broner seems a lot more suited to become a draw.

[PUK_MY_DANG_34]

So I checked out the WBC top ten rankings for every weight class and the highest number per country was 33 in Mexico, the second highest is the US with 21. No other country came close to those numbers according to their rankings but, Japan and the Philippines were pretty high and with 12 each.

Straight up MexicanBoxingCouncil if you ask me.

[JAB5239]

For those who say the United States is still not a powerhouse in boxing lets do the math according to Ring magazine. Now my final numbers are off by 8, but you will have to excuse me because it is 5am. Here's a breakdown of countries and top 10 fighters represented in every weight class including p4p.

United States 36
Mexico 30
Japan 17
UK 15
Philippines 14
Thailand 7
Russia 6
Germany 5
South Africa 5
Poland 4
Cuba 4
Ukraine 4
Panama 4
Argentina 4
Dominican Republic 3
Puerto Rico 3
Canada 3
Australia 2
Kazakhstan 2
Armenia 2
Nigeria 2
Spain 1
Denmark 1
Malawi 1
Romania 1
Cameroon 1
France 1
Slovenia 1
Uganda 1
Bulgaria 1
Italy 1

Seriously, has the US fallen off that badly considering boxing is now a "world sport" in comparison to the years when communists were not allowed to go pro? Im not a nationalist, Im only responding to the US bait threads I've seen pop up the last few days. Thoughts?

So I checked out the WBC top ten rankings for every weight class and the highest number per country was 33 in Mexico, the second highest is the US with 21. No other country came close to those numbers according to their rankings but, Japan and the Philippines were pretty high and with 12 each.

Straight up MexicanBoxingCouncil if you ask me.

I used the ring rankings. When I get time I might document all ABC orgs.