Is the US really no longer a boxing powerhouse?

[JAB5239]

US boxing stays relevant at pro level because they can dictate venue, officials and opponents - the no. of overseas fighters getting robbed is growing monthly.

As long as the US dictates financially they'll always be relevant.

So you're saying US fighters would be less talented if most of the money weren't here? Ridiculous. And per fight hi still believe Germany is far worse for robberies than any other country. We do have the overall most robberies because we host by far the most major fight cards.

[Weebler I]

So you're saying US fighters would be less talented if most of the money weren't here? Ridiculous. And per fight hi still believe Germany is far worse for robberies than any other country. We do have the overall most robberies because we host by far the most major fight cards.

It's nothing to do with talent, all nations have talented boxers. You deliberately ignored what I actually said and tried to make some other point.

It's the edges needed at the highest level of boxing and through venue, officials and the ability to call the shots generally due to financial position, all those edges go to the US fighter.

On top of it all, many of them are and have been roiding - right to the top level.

A good example is Jan Zaveck v Andre Berto.

Zaveck the IBF champion was forced to fight in the challenger's backyard flying 5,000 miles to fight, he was arguably winning the fight and loses his title as the fight is stopped due to Berto's headbutts with the ref taking no action. 6-7 months later Berto fails a drug test. Zaveck in limbo with no recompense and no big name opponents.

If Berto had to go to Slovenia to take on the champ you think it ends that way?

Another example is Khan v Peterson, again champion goes to challenger's backyard. Referee all over him deducting unprecedented points, hatman interfering with the scores and Khan losing a decision which most felt he won regardless. A couple of months later Peterson fails a drug test.

If Peterson fights Khan in England you think it ends that way?

This kind of stuff happens again and again, the US fighter is presented with all the advantages designed for him to win. Without those and being forced to travel more regularly their records would be much weaker. I'm not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere either, but the US fighters are able to get the big fights at home and that's a huge help.

Don't get me wrong, the US has some talented boxers but most also have an inherent silver spoon when it comes to competing in the pros.

[WARQUEZ]

Another example is Khan v Peterson, again champion goes to challenger's backyard. Referee all over him deducting unprecedented points, hatman interfering with the scores and Khan losing a decision which most felt he won regardless. A couple of months later Peterson fails a drug test.

This kind of stuff happens again and again, the US fighter is presented with all the advantages designed for him to win.

Oh great, another Brit complaining about bias towards Americans. The referee did a great job in the Peterson fight. Pushing is illegal and there should be consequences for those types of actions. This coming from a big Khan fan who thought he won the fight.

[BattlingNelson]

Oh great, another Brit complaining about bias towards Americans. The referee did a great job in the Peterson fight. Pushing is illegal and there should be consequences for those types of actions. This coming from a big Khan fan who thought he won the fight.

I agree that the points deductions are defensible but I reckon the general points regarding PEDs and officiating in high profile fights stands. You might see shady officiating in Germany but a doping scandal is unlikely since the german fighters (of team sauerland) are constantly monitored and tested by the antidoping agency.

[paulf]

As long as the US dictates financially they'll always be relevant. If every US fighter had to travel abroad for big fights they would struggle.

So what? The same is absolutely true for British, German and Japanese fighters.

Hell, mediocre fighters in the UK, Germany, and Japan, who would never make more than a few grand if they started their careers stateside, fight in front of packed halls and make decent money in their home countries.

[jayjames616]

the brits do send plenty of talented fighters over here, but the purely domestic british boxing scene is not littered with supreme talent.

i like their fights and i love their media, however. nothing beats a good limey dust up. when you've got two ham and eggers bleeding all over the place for 10000 pounds and bragging rights in north sheffield, it is bliss, and i give it my respect.

This is exactly how I feel about UK boxing. I love there domestic grudge matches but I feel they lack depth when it comes to elite talent.

[ghost deini]

Lots of "America" haters out there, but I take it as a compliment. A hater is not going to hate on a country that never wins or has nothing. A hater is going to hate on a country that has everything, a country that always wins, someone or something they are jealous of. That's one reason and probably the main reason why we have haters.

no you have haters coz ur usually arrogant twats that think the world revoles around America

jus sayin

[JAB5239]

It's nothing to do with talent, all nations have talented boxers. You deliberately ignored what I actually said and tried to make some other point.

It's the edges needed at the highest level of boxing and through venue, officials and the ability to call the shots generally due to financial position, all those edges go to the US fighter.

On top of it all, many of them are and have been roiding - right to the top level.

A good example is Jan Zaveck v Andre Berto.

Zaveck the IBF champion was forced to fight in the challenger's backyard flying 5,000 miles to fight, he was arguably winning the fight and loses his title as the fight is stopped dueling to Berto's headbutts with the ref taking no action. 6-7 months later Berto fails a drug test. Zaveck in limbo with no recompense and no big name opponents.

If Berto had to go to Slovenia to take on the champ you think it ends that way?

Another example is Khan v Peterson, again champion goes to challenger's backyard. Referee all over him deducting unprecedented points, hatman interfering with the scores and Khan losing a decision which most felt he won regardless. A couple of months later Peterson fails a drug test.

If Peterson fights Khan in England you think it ends that way?

This kind of stuff happens again and again, the US fighter is presented with all the advantages designed for him to win. Without those and being forced to travel more regularly their records would be much weaker. I'm not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere either, but the US fighters are able to get the big fights at home and that's a huge help.

Don't get me wrong, the US has some talented boxers but most also have an inherent silver spoon when it comes to competing in the pros.

With all due respect, this is a bunch of rubbish that can be applied to any fighter fighting on foreign soil. Fighters come here because it is the most money they can make against the best comp. Robberies are common EVERYWHERE, its just magnified here because of the amount of more high profile fights and worldwide media that accompany them.

[danceswithfire]

it is still the biggest powerhouse...one huge advatage that US fighters have tho is that " they dont need to go outside thier home conutry to make it big"....the a HUGE advantage

[BattlingNelson]

With all due respect, this is a bunch of rubbish that can be applied to any fighter fighting on foreign soil. Fighters come here because it is the most money they can make against the best comp. Robberies are common EVERYWHERE, its just magnified here because of the amount of more high profile fights and worldwide media that accompany them.

I know this takes the thread on slight detour, but it must be said that the US traditionally has done a 'great' job of sweeping PED cases under the carpet and only handing out symbolic punishments if any.