How great of a win was Pac over Hoya?

[Optimistic]

It was an alright win.

[littlemac]

all fights are money fights. even darchinyan said he'll fight hoya that time. for money.

"WE FOUGHT HIM COZ HE COULDN'T PULL THE TRIGGER."
-Freddie Roach


I guess your coping mechanisms made you miss this part

[Weebler I]

"THE FIGHT WITH DELA HOYA WAS A MONEY FIGHT. WE FOUGHT HIM COZ HE COULDN'T PULL THE TRIGGER."
---Freddie Roach

Why do people act like Freddie Roach sets up Pac's fights?

He doesn't, he just trains the fighters and talks smack on their behalf, that's it.

[p4p-champ]

Why do people act like Freddie Roach sets up Pac's fights?

He doesn't, he just trains the fighters and talks smack on their behalf, that's it.

He watches big name opponents and capitalizes on them when they're on their way down. Hey, its smart business.

[Weebler I]

In hind sight, it was just as good if not way worse then Canelo's win over Mosley... If Pac actually had any kind of run at 147, he would have probably been the favorite to DLH at the time, otherwise a small underdog

Prime De La Hoya still MURDERS him

Prime de la hoya doesn't murder ****, no one murders Pacquiao - not Barrera, not Cotto, not Hatton, not Margarito, not Morales, not Bradley, not Mosley, not Marquez and not Mayweather either.

You're talking about a fighter with a granite chin, lightning handspeed and bone-breaking power.

At most he can be out-pointed but never destroyed and definitely not by a cheesestain like de la hoya.

[..WaRSpencE..]

Why do people act like Freddie Roach sets up Pac's fights?

He doesn't, he just trains the fighters and talks smack on their behalf, that's it.

He's got a huge influence on who they pick..

I'm sure Arum comes with 2 or 3 names to pick from and they talk the numbers and the odds of easy victory and what stips he'd want..Roach manipulates Manny and tells him to demand what Roach wants, between Arum, Roach and Koncz..I'd say Manny has about 10% of the say in his camp..

[Weebler I]

He watches big name opponents and capitalizes on them when they're on their way down. Hey, its smart business.

The guy in your sig sets up Pacquiao's fights, you never hear MP say 'it depends on my trainer Freddie Roach'.

Roach has often said who he wants Manny to fight and they've gone with another opponent.

He's got a huge influence on who they pick..

I'm sure Arum comes with 2 or 3 names to pick from and they talk the numbers and the odds of easy victory and what stips he'd want..Roach manipulates Manny and tells him to demand what Roach wants, between Arum, Roach and Koncz..I'd say Manny has about 10% of the say in his camp..

For the most part the money dictates the fights, you think Roach wants to put Pacquiao in with Marquez again? no, but Arum does. Roach didn't want him fighting Margarito either but again, Arum did. Roach just likes to talk smack.

[littlemac]

Why do people act like Freddie Roach sets up Pac's fights?

He doesn't, he just trains the fighters and talks smack on their behalf, that's it.

Who more credible?


Freddie Roach Trainer in the the center circle of Manny team> WeeblerII a sour graping fanboy who hasn't gotten over Floyd's destruction of Hatton.

[kill the body]

prime de la hoya doesn't murder ****, no one murders pacquiao - not barrera, not cotto, not hatton, not margarito, not morales, not bradley, not mosley, not marquez and not mayweather either.

You're talking about a fighter with a granite chin, lightning handspeed and bone-breaking power.

At most he can be out-pointed but never destroyed and definitely not by a cheesestain like de la hoya.

well he was ko'd 2 times now

[-MAKAVELLI-]

it was one of the greatest wins in the history of boxing...


one of the best beatdowns that i've enjoyed in the 25+ years that i've followed the sport...for the following reasons;


1. it was the ultimate backfire on DLH's cherrypicking ass..DLH was supposed to fight the winner of Cotto-Tony but when Tony won, Oscar shamelessly picked a fighter who JUST GOT TO LIGHTWEIGHT instead...they tried to legitimize it by using PAC's p4p ratings and the whole thing blew up in their faces

2. DLH's arrogant ass thought that it would be such easy work that he could do it at WW...a weight he hadn't made in years and he got his ass thoroughly kicked

and most importantly


3. it gave DLH the reality check he sorely needed...the part time promoter/boxer finally learned that his time has passed...he was unceremoniously booted out of the sport in a fight that he hand picked...no more fighters tryin to line up for a DLH fight while ducking legit fights that should have been made



plus i hate Oscar...tool on the stool...good riddance


thank you PAC...no matter what happens, this fight fan is forever grateful for doing boxing that deed...Floyd picked Oscar apart but didn't do enough to kill the his confidence...PAC steamrolled that point across