What do you want from Canelo

[2120]

canelo will most likely fight floyd mayweather next year. he just beat miguel cotto and is the top ranked jr MW right now (even if they are BOTH WW,)

first of all i'm not asking you to love it. you have to be patient, and evidently i've got to tell you that. you cant pressure a promoter into making the wrong moves. he will not make them. if he does eventually he's going to pay for it

who is we?

promoters have never operated to please "you"

down the line you will get the fights you want. fans wanting fights is important to a promoter along the lines that it makes them more money. in that light, eventually you'll see canelo cash out and see him in the big fights.

that's how the game has always worked.

i'm curious, how long have you watched boxing?

i think many of us are very aware of what the business plan is for canelo.

its not a big secret that alludes most of us

make the easiest title defenses, fight marquee faded names (margarito/mayorga stand by) and then cash him out against cotto, floyd, or pac and hope he is ready for them when he faces them or that they are past it enough for him to win

for that very reason since its obvious what canelo's promoters are doing is the reason why more and more boxing fans are being critical of canelo he is not fighting tough comp. which is quite shameful with the bevy of worthy contender at 154

lets cut to the chase. if canelo was that good a match with bundrage, d.rodriguez, lara, dzinziruk, kirkland, vanes, angulo, molina would have been done already because there would be no risk in those match ups but he is not that good and from what you say his promoters pick the matches

which means that his promoters have no confidence in his abilities. which in return brings back into their strategy which is match canelo soft and cash him out

i see and agree with everything you said about canelo but the only difference is that you defend him based on those reason and those reason you presented on behalf of canelo are the very source of my criticism

[New England]

Cant believe bushbaby and boxinggenious disrespecting new england.
One of the best unbiased posters cant even have opinions.
Some of yall got serious mental issues.

i looked back through some of my posts and i was kind of a douchebag.

not saying that my logic (or theirs,) was not valid, but that i was a douchebag about it.

they've got every right to their opinions, just as i have


i want to take the opportunity to apologize to BG for being an *******

i am sorry and i sent you a green apple.

[Bushbaby]

i looked back through some of my posts and i was kind of a douchebag.

not saying that my logic (or theirs,) was not valid, but that i was a douchebag about it.

they've got every right to their opinions, just as i have


i want to take the opportunity to apologize to BG for being an *******

i am sorry and i sent you a green apple.

I never disrespected you bro.

[New England]

I never disrespected you bro.

no you were very respectful and expressed quite nicely your stance on the subject

it was new england who was out of line and disrespectful.

[daggum]

the industry is very healthy

the two largest paid athletes on the planet are boxers

it's ruining the industry from the perspective of the fan

i can look at it from the perspective of the industry, or at least i try. the industry is healthy.

pleasing fans is only important to the industry to the extent that the fans are willing to spend money


i am sorry man, but that's how the world works. it would be nice if it did, but it doesn't. these men are capitalists. if they don't operate as capitalists the wheels fall off and boxing ceases to exist.


and yes, i admire al haymon on some level. i dont like that he keeps big fights from happening, but that cloud my admiration for the guy.

yes its healthy for the top couple guys just like the american economy is healthy for the top 2 or 3 percent. how's everyone else doing? oh yea it's terrible. boxing as a whole is doing awful just like the american economy but the people running boxing/the country don't care about the whole picture. it's also not capitalism when you rig the rules in your favor so you always win. al haymon's not putting up any risk for these shows. the promoters/networks are. yet he's making bank. rigged.

[New England]

Another thing bout that, (Because you've basically agreed with me concerning Floyd). He gets to be considered an atg, future HOFer & every other boxing elite accolade, while other fighters, some that were in the weightclasses he were in that could possibly beat him never got an opportunity like he has. And will probably never make it to the hof & will never be considered great because they never got the opportunity that he was handed.

it's not fair. i agree.

floyd's opportunities came about in part because of his tremendous talents and hard work, but there are other talented guys out there and other hard workers. floyd's biggest opportunities came about because of things outside of boxing. he has appeal to casual fans. he's well spoken, good looking, and a polarizing figure. people are drawn to him whether they like him or not, and it's that which made him a crossover star. it has nothing to do with his fights, which are often quite boring.


hell, de la hoya's fans were primarily female in the 90's. it's not on the merits of boxing alone that these cashcows get these opportunities and special treatment.

i wish it werent the way it is. i'd love to see great fights one after the other, but the industry dictates that that cant be the case.

[BoxingGenius27]

i looked back through some of my posts and i was kind of a douchebag.

not saying that my logic (or theirs,) was not valid, but that i was a douchebag about it.

they've got every right to their opinions, just as i have


i want to take the opportunity to apologize to BG for being an *******

i am sorry and i sent you a green apple.

I normally agree with you in NSB the majority of the time and have stated that.

I probably shouldn't have taken the sarcastic approach in my original reply to you last night. I also apologize.

Not to say that we won't disagree in the future, because if I disagree, you know I'll say something, but I promise to show the utmost respect and I hope you do the same.

Either way, you're still solid in my book and don't take my differenced opinion in any future debate personally.

[joseph5620]

Give up the title or fight some real comp......

I have no problem with the guy developing since he is young.... But calling yourself "world champion" and wanting time to develop at the same time is an insult to boxing fans.....

If he isn't ready there is a few guys in his division who are..... Move out the way

^^^ Exactly

[New England]

I normally agree with you in NSB the majority of the time and have stated that.

I probably shouldn't have taken the sarcastic approach in my original reply to you last night. I also apologize.

Not to say that we won't disagree in the future, because if I disagree, you know I'll say something, but I promise to show the utmost respect and I hope you do the same.

Either way, you're still solid in my book and don't take my differenced opinion in any future debate personally.

sounds good to me man, and i'll see you around.

[MARKBNLV]

I'm not arguing with you homey, hell I ain't even mad. But as long as I'm a member of boxingscene, believe that i'll be stating the obvious.

In this case it's obvious that golden boy & the wbc are going out of their way to protect ginger & feeding gullible fight fans a $h!t load of garbage while lining there pockets & ruining the sport.

Protect him by the Williams Ortiz and Kirkland fights falling through i think not Lopez is a hot name at the moment and i bet ya more people know him then Trout or k9 the guy who lost contender.