Comments Thread For: Ortiz To Notice Golden Boy; Elects Lopez Rematch Option

[EdWins]

the hate for mexicans and mexican fighters on this site is effing unbelivable.

It is, especially considering that it's our peeps who put on the best fights most of the time...

[APryor]

yea so that the broken jaw could just become a impediment in his next fights kind of like margarito? right?

No, nothing like that. Abraham had a worse break and more serious surgery (22 screws and two plates for Abraham, 3 screws and one plate for "Vicious"). It had no effect on his career.

Many fighters have had broken jaws. I can't remember any of them having career problems afterward. You know what else I can't remember... any of them quitting. Not one.

[GRUSTLER]

Ortiz threw everything he had at Lopez and couldn't stop him.

Ortiz will be much more weary of Lopez and box more on the outside.

If Ortiz is ****** enough to want a WAR, Lopez will give him another one and stop Ortiz again.

Ortiz is going to be Ortiz. He'll start out boxing but then he will go back to trying to land bombs and end the fight by KO and that's when he will get careless. it happens in all of his fights because he is over anxious.

[APryor]

I feel what you are saying but Ortiz could not tough it out but may have did the smart thing seeing how severe the doctor said his jaw was broken. Lopez was landing bombs on him at times, right on the button.

You might be right. You certainly seem reasonable, not like the Ortiz fan boys denying reality and trying to make this about "keyboard warriors".

But a couple of things...

The source saying that Ortiz could have died is Ortiz' manager, and the claim seems absurd. Simply put, I don't think we can trust anything this guy is saying. He has an agenda. IMO, he is in full spin mode.

It's a good point you (and others) have made about Ortiz taking many flush punches to the jaw. It's a lot harder to continue with a broken jaw when your defense is terrible. Could he have fought more conservatively and made the final bell? Or would the ref have asked the doctor to look at Lopez' eye? We'll never know.

[Jupiter Maximus]

Well, we know that Ortiz had to have surgery and a titanium rod put in. Did Abraham have surgery for his broken jaw?

On 23 September 2006, Abraham won a decision against undefeated contender Edison Miranda despite having his jaw broken in two places in round five. Miranda took advantage of this by fighting dirty. Miranda was deducted five points for landing repeated low blows as well as intentionally headbutting Abraham. However, even without the five points deducted, Abraham would have still won the fight (final result: 114:109, 115:109, 116:109). Abraham's jaw was operated on the night after the fight. He had 22 screws inserted into two titanium plates. After the Miranda bout, Arthur was praised for his ability to finish the fight despite his injury.

its on wiki

[APryor]

yup, it's the same ******s that were shitting on Robert Garcia for letting Margarito continue on that messed up eye, and now they're laughing at a guy who had his jaw broken in two places for "quitting"

Personally, I think that too many trainers don't do enough to protect their fighters. The Margarito-Pac fight is a good example. Marg had no chance of winning and was getting destroyed. Marg is not going to quit. He's not Ortiz. The vast majority of professional fighters refuse to quit in those situations. It's up to the cornermen to protect their fighter, to throw in the towel.

The Ortiz situation is completely different. He was not losing. He was not taking a one-sided beating. There was a point in finishing the fight - to win it. You are getting confused about people critizing corners for letting pointless, one-sided beatings go on just because the fighter wants to finish the bout on his feet. That has nothing to do with what happened here.

[ShoulderRoll]

From Wikipedia:

On 23 September 2006, Abraham won a decision against undefeated contender Edison Miranda despite having his jaw broken in two places in round five. Miranda took advantage of this by fighting dirty. Miranda was deducted five points for landing repeated low blows as well as intentionally headbutting Abraham. However, even without the five points deducted, Abraham would have still won the fight (final result: 114:109, 115:109, 116:109). Abraham's jaw was operated on the night after the fight. He had 22 screws inserted into two titanium plates. After the Miranda bout, Arthur was praised for his ability to finish the fight despite his injury.

Wikipedia isn't a reliable source. But if you can show me a reputable link that confirms he had 22 screws and 2 titanium plates inserted than I can't argue against that...it would seem Abraham's injury was just as bad as Ortiz'.

[Light_Speed]

LOL where are all the armchair warriors? These mofos would pass out if they had to watch the surgery, let alone fight with that injury.

And when Ortiz gets called a quitter it lights a fire under his ass and he's motivated to prove everyone wrong, like in this fight :

Speaking from personal experience i had the exact same thing happen to me i didn't go to hospital for 2 days as i thought i had just lost a tooth turns out the tooth sized gap i had in my mouth was where my jaw was split open there was a hidden break on the side as well.

From a nutritional point of view i myself lost One and a half stone in body weight because when your wired up you cant eat you have to drink protein shakes, soup etc and even after the wires come out you still cant chew so you got to have all your food liquidized and mashed up i expect victor to lose a lot of muscle and body weight so any ring return will likely be a long way off but good luck to him i am sure he can come back from this.

Wow looks like Ortiz is gonna have to take a tune up before rematching Lopez.

Anyone ever seen a fighter quit from a broken jaw? I've seen a bunch of fighters suffer a broken jaw in a fight. I have never seen a single fighter quit due to a broken jaw though. Anyone ever seen it?

Tyson vs Golota, Darchinyan vs Glen Donaire. You're welcome, I like to help casual fans.

[APryor]

Wikipedia isn't a reliable source. But if you can show me a reputable link that confirms he had 22 screws and 2 titanium plates inserted than I can't argue against that...it would seem Abraham's injury was just as bad as Ortiz'.

Here's a good article from ESPN. A lot of good quotes here... Ortiz should read this article. And it mentions 22 screws and two titanium plates.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=3453494

By the way, I wouldn't say Abraham's injury was "just as bad" as Ortiz'. It sounds like it was much worse.

The best way to get good info on Abraham's injury would be to get a German poster to look into it. I am sure they could find many German language articles.

From the article:

"When it was over, Abraham had retained his belt, but not without a significant cost. He lost nearly a liter of blood during the fight. He spent three days in intensive care, had two titanium plates and 22 screws inserted into his jaw during surgery, and was out of action for eight months."

[-Kev-]

Oxn:Some of these internet tough guys are something else.

And there's no stopping them. They feel that they are right and everyone else is wrong and that Ortiz should have continued.