Who could Mayweather have beaten to "prove" his greatness to naysayers?

[djtmal]

people forget that Arum did not want to put Cotto in the ring versus Floyd. They saw Cotto as potentially a huge star and did not want Floyd damping that. Arum had an interview where he said this years ago.

mastermind, what about the miguel cotto, who had just had zab judah for lunch, around the time that floyd mayweather jr., beat oscar de la hoya...my point is, mastermind, there will always be some excuse, for not making a fight...but in the case of floyd mayweather jr., there is a considerable list of fighters who floyd mayweather jr., could have fought, that would have been more career defining...

[The Big Dunn]

mastermind, what about the miguel cotto, who had just had zab judah for lunch, around the time that floyd mayweather jr., beat oscar de la hoya...my point is, mastermind, there will always be some excuse, for not making a fight...but in the case of floyd mayweather jr., there is a considerable list of fighters who floyd mayweather jr., could have fought, that would have been more career defining...

And all were bigger draws at the time who didn't want to take the risk because he was very good but didn't bring any fanbase to the table.

[The Tase]

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Junior Jones beat a prime Barrera twice, not Manny Pacquaio.....You dont even believe Barrera and Marquez were in their prime you just say it ROFL

When Manny fought Barrera he was 29 and 60 fights into his career 2 wars with Morales, two loss to Junior Jones, and that brawl with McKinney. if you think he was at his best your are blind

Marquez was 48-3-1 and was 34-35 years old, thats not prime


do you even know the meaning of prime?

Marco Antonio Barerra was univerally recognized as p4p# 3 just behind bernard & roy jone jr. when pac beat him in 03:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...r_Pound--2000s

Barerra was on a 8 fight winning streak before getting beat by pac & went on a 6 fight winning streak after losing to pac only to lose to a fellow atg hall of fame prime p4p top 10 juan manuel marquez who he dropped in that fight.


Barerra was prime when pac beat him the first time & there's nothing you can do about that you floids infested flo mosexual.

[DeadLikeMe]

Outside of fighting a couple guys earlier (although most of it was due to Floyd being avoided like the plague most of his career) there really isn't much he could have done better. If you think Joe Calzaghe is an ATG, you have to consider Floyd about 30 spots higher than Calzaghe IMO.

A prime southpaw in Casa ducked the hell out of Floyd, Manny ducked the hell out of a well past it southpaw Casa. That should define their greatness if you really want a comparison.

[therealpugilist]

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Marco Antonio Barerra was univerally recognized as p4p# 3 just behind bernard & roy jone jr. when pac beat him in 03:

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...r_Pound--2000s

Barerra was on a 8 fight winning streak before getting beat by pac & went on a 6 fight winning streak after losing to pac only to lose to a fellow atg hall of fame prime p4p top 10 juan manuel marquez who he dropped in that fight.


Barerra was prime when pac beat him the first time & there's nothing you can do about that you floids infested flo mosexual.

so by your logic since roy jones was 30-34 years old and still winning he was in his prime/....yeah right

[The Tase]

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so by your logic since roy jones was 30-34 years old and still winning he was in his prime/....yeah right

wtf are you on about?

marco was 29 years old, & was rated as #3 p4p in the whole sport was on 8 fight winning streak before pac & went on a 6 fight winning after pac only to lose to fellow p4p top 10 and hall of famer marquez.

Bernard didnt hit his prime til he was mid 30s.

Each boxer ages differently.


but keep moving the goal posts.

[djtmal]

And all were bigger draws at the time who didn't want to take the risk because he was very good but didn't bring any fanbase to the table.

big dunn, i saw a fight between floyd mayweather jr., and miguel cotto, at the time that floyd mayweather jr., beat oscar de la hoya, for cash cow status, as a 50-50 fight, that could have been won by either contestant...big dunn, i was out in front of madison square garden, on the night miguel cotto fought zab judah, and it was jam packed out there with cotto fans...big dunn, when larry merchant, asked floyd mayweather jr. in the de la hoya post fight interview about miguel cotto, floyd stated that he wouldn't let the sport of boxing retire him, that he would retire from the sport of boxing, and that he accomplished all that he wanted to accomplish...big dunn, floyd mayweather jr., isn't exactly a one-punch ko artist, who everybody should be afraid of, my man (word)

[therealpugilist]

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wtf are you on about?

marco was 29 years old, & was rated as #3 p4p in the whole sport was on 8 fight winning streak before pac & went on a 6 fight winning after pac only to lose to fellow p4p top 10 and hall of famer marquez.

Bernard didnt hit his prime til he was mid 30s.

Each boxer ages differently.


but keep moving the goal posts.

You think just because a fighter is winning they are in their prime? you must think Floyd Mayweather is still in his prime or Sergio Martinez as well smh....or that Michael Spinks beat a prime Larry Holmes? Holmes was 48-0 right?

yea you are right but smaller fighters age quicker than larger fighters. Also Hopkins didnt have any grueling wars like Barrera did. People say Hopkins prime was in his mid thirties because thats when he beat Trinidad and thats when acknowledge him. Hopkins prime as a fighter if you watched him then was in the mid to late 90's. He threw more punches was a consummate boxer puncher still had great defense and was knocking guys the hell out

[The Tase]

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You think just because a fighter is winning they are in their prime? you must think Floyd Mayweather is still in his prime or Sergio Martinez as well smh....or that Michael Spinks beat a prime Larry Holmes? Holmes was 48-0 right?

yea you are right but smaller fighters age quicker than larger fighters. Also Hopkins didnt have any grueling wars like Barrera did. People say Hopkins prime was in his mid thirties because thats when he beat Trinidad and thats when acknowledge him. Hopkins prime as a fighter if you watched him then was in the mid to late 90's. He threw more punches was a consummate boxer puncher still had great defense and was knocking guys the hell out

barerra was prime when pac beat him the first time. these are facts. so was marquez.

Floyd has yet to fight a legit prime hall of famer.

just deal with it & move on with your life.

[4Corners]

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Pac has MAB 1 & JMM 2. Both were wins & both of them wer prime & legit HOF.

Frazier has ali, pernell has chavez jr. Marciano falls under the same boat of su****ious undefeated records as floyd has because almost all of maricano's notable wins were past prime fighters.

None of those fighters were bashing past & current greats & claiming to be the greatest because he's undefeated & they werent.

You think Marquez in 08' at 130 was his absolute prime????? He was still really really good, but he wasn't in his absolute prime. Marquez' prime to me was like 1999-2006. From 2007-2009/2010, past his prime-still good.

And you just said Ali was prime in 71' when he fought Frazier???? Man you clearly don't follow people's careers as close as you try to make it sound. Ali's prime was 1964-1967, he was not the same fight when he returned after 3 1/2 years off. He was past his prime-still good from 1970-1974/1975, but he was NOT PRIME in 1971.