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  • #41
    Originally posted by cixthree View Post
    UMMM I think Chico would have been Floyds Foreman... Oh but lets dismiss that
    LOL Chico is Floyd's Foreman.


    At least that is an example of people not knowing enough about past fighters.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
      WHen each of these fighters were prime,they refused to fight floyd. In ODH and SHane's case it was floyd was too much risk not enough reward (and shane had toothache).

      Now its clear manny refused to sign in Dec09, but there has been alot of stuff back and forth since then.

      Cotto's people are on record not wanting the fight at the time.

      And so we are clear, I'm not saying they ducked him or were scared of him (alhough shane was a lil *****). I'm just saying they all had the chance to make a floyd fight when they were prime instead of waiting like they did.
      big dunn, in my opinion, oscar de la hoya's prime was at 147lbs in the late 90's, when he was fighting the likes of ike quartey, felix trinidad, pernell whitaker, shane mosley, fernando vargas...far more bigger, and far more dangerous fighters at that time, for a higher reward, than little floyd mayweather, imo...

      big dunn, if i'm correct, floyd mayweather jr., may have still been a 130 lb. fighter at that time, and was on nobody's radar, but was calling oscar de la hoya's, and shane mosley's names out, because he was smart enough to know, that that's where the $ was...so i wouldn't put much stock there...big dunn, shane mosley's prime was the tail end of his 135 lb run, moving into his first fight @ 147 vs. wilfredo rivera, big dunn, although a lot of cats was soupin' up a fight with mosley vs. mayweather back then, shane mosley, also had his sights set, on a fight with the cash cow 147 lb. champ oscar de la hoya, a fighter that i also felt would have been a far more dangerous fight for shane, and for higher stakes, than floyd mayweather jr....

      big dunn, i felt the same could be said about floyd money mayweather, when he was campaigning in the 140 lb. division, for refusing to take the 8 million guaranteed purse to fight antonio margarito, and not making a fight with kosta tzsyu, zab judah before he lost to carlos baldomir (although i always felt that money would beat zab with his eyes closed)....big dunn, i will give you miguel cotto for argument's sake, but big dunn, all legalities aside, right now, manny pacquaio, is the potential future atg fighter, that floyd mayweather jr., needs to beat, to be considered in the same class as atg's such as sugar ray leonard, marvin hagler, tommy hearns, roberto duran, etc.
      Last edited by djtmal; 06-04-2012, 01:14 PM.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by djtmal View Post
        big dunn, in my opinion, oscar de la hoya's prime was at 147lbs in the late 90's, when he was fighting the likes of ike quartey, felix trinidad, pernell whitaker, shane mosley, fernando vargas...far more bigger, and far more dangerous fighters at that time, for a higher reward, than little floyd mayweather, imo...

        big dunn, if i'm correct, floyd mayweather jr., may have still been a 130 lb. fighter at that time, and was on nobody's radar, but was calling oscar de la hoya's, and shane mosley's names out, because he was smart enough to know, that that's where the $ was...so i wouldn't put much stock there...big dunn, shane mosley's prime was the tail end of his 135 lb run, moving into his first fight @ 147 vs. wilfredo rivera, big dunn, although a lot of cats was soupin' up a fight with mosley vs. mayweather back then, shane mosley, also had his sights set, on a fight with the cash cow 147 lb. champ oscar de la hoya, a fighter that i also felt would have been a far more dangerous fight for shane, and for higher stakes, than floyd mayweather jr....

        big dunn, i felt the same could be said about floyd money mayweather, when he was campaigning in the 140 lb. division, for refusing to take the 8 million guaranteed purse to fight antonio margarito, and not making a fight with kosta tzsyu, zab judah before he lost to carlos baldomir (although i always felt that money would beat zab with his eyes closed)....big dunn, i will give you miguel cotto for arugment's sake, but big dunn, all legalities aside, right now, manny pacquaio, is the potential future atg fighter, that floyd mayweather jr., needs to beat, to be considered in the same class as atg's such as sugar ray leonard, marvin hagler, tommy hearns, roberto duran, etc.
        Great post

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        • #44
          Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
          Floyd has not taken on the big fights he could have, that could have proven his ability.

          Floyd has struggled against much lesser fighters too, JLC arguably beat him.

          We heard the reasons why people think Floyd beats Duran and quite frankly their reasoning is pathetic.

          Very similar to the reasons we heard why Bute beats Froch.
          We 4get he was promoted by Bob at the time? And what do we say about Bob these days?
          Floyd called out all the champs at 30 and got Vargas for his next fight?
          As for Duran, what type of fight did Ray fight the 2nd time they fought?, that's why Floyd beats Duran.
          And even in defeat Bute is a better "Boxer" than Froch, Froch just hits hard and caught him (It happens, it's called a punchers chance)
          People are high off the Froch win cuz they know he wasn't supposed to win that fight, and he did (He beat the odds, a Punchers chance)
          I take nothing away from Froch, but Bute is still the better boxer.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by D4thincarnation View Post
            LOL Chico is Floyd's Foreman.


            At least that is an example of people not knowing enough about past fighters.
            LOL, well name these fighters then? It seems that every fighter Floyd seems to face u guys defang once he beats um... So lets name a few fighters Floyd could have faced that compares to Hearns, leonard, Foreman.....

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            • #46
              Originally posted by djtmal View Post
              big dunn, in my opinion, oscar de la hoya's prime was at 147lbs in the late 90's, when he was fighting the likes of ike quartey, felix trinidad, pernell whitaker, shane mosley, fernando vargas...far more bigger, and far more dangerous fighters at that time, for a higher reward, than little floyd mayweather, imo...

              big dunn, if i'm correct, floyd mayweather jr., may have still been a 130 lb. fighter at that time, and was on nobody's radar, but was calling oscar de la hoya's, and shane mosley's names out, because he was smart enough to know, that that's where the $ was...so i wouldn't put much stock there...big dunn, shane mosley's prime was the tail end of his 135 lb run, moving into his first fight @ 147 vs. wilfredo rivera, big dunn, although a lot of cats was soupin' up a fight with mosley vs. mayweather back then, shane mosley, also had his sights set, on a fight with the cash cow 147 lb. champ oscar de la hoya, a fighter that i also felt would have been a far more dangerous fight for shane, and for higher stakes, than floyd mayweather jr....

              big dunn, i felt the same could be said about floyd money mayweather, when he was campaigning in the 140 lb. division, for refusing to take the 8 million guaranteed purse to fight antonio margarito, and not making a fight with kosta tzsyu, zab judah before he lost to carlos baldomir (although i always felt that money would beat zab with his eyes closed)....big dunn, i will give you miguel cotto for argument's sake, but big dunn, all legalities aside, right now, manny pacquaio, is the potential future atg fighter, that floyd mayweather jr., needs to beat, to be considered in the same class as atg's such as sugar ray leonard, marvin hagler, tommy hearns, roberto duran, etc.
              Do you remember Bob saying he couldn't get floyd $20 mil for a ODH fight? That was in 2004-05 when ODH was fighting Shane for the ww title. Just because they are bigger doesn't mean they are more dangerous.

              The zab fight was signed before he lost to Baldomir, you do remember that right?

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              • #47
                Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
                Why do we elevate every opponent floyd didn't fight just because he didn't fight them and then devalue every one he beat?
                And devaluing Floyds opponents, is not the same as devalue Pacquiao. The fact is Mayweather is a great fighter period. To praise Pacquiao and Mayweather is hypocritical. If you chose to be clear Pacquiao has lost twice by KO, of his 3 loses; and in the past 5 years has fought 5/11 opponents the same as Mayweather, and the would be 5 of Mayweathers 6 opponents.

                Mayweather is the most skilled boxer, in the ring. If you disagree, nothing against that person but you don't understand the fundamentals of boxing at all! Stay being a fan, but stop writing **** that you don't understand.

                I do agree, he would lose to dome of the greats from the past, but not all...

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by Big Dunn View Post
                  Do you remember Bob saying he couldn't get floyd $20 mil for a ODH fight? That was in 2004-05 when ODH was fighting Shane for the ww title. Just because they are bigger doesn't mean they are more dangerous.

                  The zab fight was signed before he lost to Baldomir, you do remember that right?

                  big dunn, talk about dangerous, big dunn, = if oscar de la hoya, would have just fought atg pernell whitaker, without felix, trinidad, ike quartey, fernando vargas, etc., it would have still been far better opposition, than anyone floyd mayweather jr., has faced to date...

                  big dunn, oscar de la hoya fought shane mosley the first time for the 147 lb. title in 2000, with oscar de la hoya getting a guaranteed 35 million, and shane mosley, a guaranteed 15 million...that was the oscar de la hoya, who had beat pernell whitaker, ike quartey, and arguably, was robbed against felix trinidad...you mean to tell me big dunn, that a 130 lb. floyd mayweather jr., is far more dangerous, and a bigger cash cow, than oscar de la hoya, or had a bigger fan base, than shane mosley?....floyd mayweather jr., in 2000, with all due respect, was nobody...

                  big dunn, if anybody, including floyd mayweather jr., thought bob arum could get him 20 million dollars, in 2000, when he was nobody, against oscar de la hoya, then big dunn, i got a bridge in perfect condition i will sell ya...
                  Last edited by djtmal; 06-04-2012, 02:15 PM.

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                  • #49
                    D4thincarnation is one of those pacfart extremists that would go around following mayweather jotting down his every move. And not for some scheme he's trying to pull, just because he's that fcking creepy.

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                    • #50
                      It's a fantasy fight! Who cares who wins! Smh the people that be on this site man..

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