Why does Mayweather win a lot of fantasy fights? I'll tell you why.

[D4thincarnation]

People overlook great fighters of the past? The last time I checked, the general consensus was that the past fighters were the greatest of all time and the modern generation would not have been able to succeed in their generation.

Why on earth would you reference Bute as a comparison to Floyd Mayweather???

You must have spent quite some time on coming up with this nonsensical thread. All you had to type was ''I think Floyd Mayweather is overrated''.

Bute was unbeaten, said to be intelligent, speed, too smart, technically great, a lot of the same attributes assigned to Mayweather.

Like Floyd, Bute ability was perceived, when stepping up to a fighter that had proven ability he could not cut it.

The same could very well happen to Floyd.

People seem to down play, strength, power, tenacity, heart a warrior's spirit. I haven't got a clue why.


How can anyone in their right mind think that Floyd beats a Prime Duran?

[The Big Dunn]

He is a ATG BUT he has not gone up against an opponent that he could prove himself against since corrals, and corrales was never a world beater.

I hate to bring up Pac´s name but the prime Pac (cotto/Ricky times)is THE fighter that would have showed us the deeps of his talent.
Sergio is also a fighter that we know is fast we know have one punch knockout power,we know is dangerous and he would also enabled us to gauge have good floyd really is.

Prime paul williams/magarito/kostya are also fighters he diddent fight that would have given us something.

But he chose opponents carefully and he avoided the most dangerous ones so we just dont know have good he really is

Why do we elevate every opponent floyd didn't fight just because he didn't fight them and then devalue every one he beat?

[110110110]

Exactly, he can't even claim there weren't the fights around to prove his ability.

The thing that cemented Ali`s greatness was not his fast hands or charisma it was when he chose to fight the beastly prime big george formann and come out victorious.

Floyd never did take such a dangerous fight and properly never will.

[Bushbaby]

I actually agree with his theory on perceived ability vs proven ability & I love the Bute comparo.

[djtmal]

ODH, SHane, Manny, cotto.

big dunn, i think a case could be made that oscar de la hoya, shane mosley, and miguel cotto, never legitly refused to fight floyd money mayweather, big dunn, i definitely don't think that manny pacquaio, ever refused to fight floyd money mayweather, my man

[110110110]

Why do we elevate every opponent floyd didn't fight just because he didn't fight them and then devalue every one he beat?

That is a good question

There is zero doubt that Floyd is a great boxer period.

But he avoided those that where the most dangerous at the time and that we know would challenge him.

When is the last time floyd fought someone that we KNOW would give floyd trouble?

If he chose to fight Sergio right now we would see have good he really is, or if he at the time fought prime Paul williams, Kostya we would simply better know have he reaches when he have to dig down deep.

Thats the point of what im saying , fighting all thise fighters that in no shape or form or paper aper to be his match will never cements his greatness as much as if he steeped up a fought someone really dangerous

[The Big Dunn]

big dunn, i think a case could be made that oscar de la hoya, shane mosley, and miguel cotto, never legitly refused to fight floyd money mayweather, big dunn, i definitely don't think that manny pacquaio, ever refused to fight floyd money mayweather, my man

WHen each of these fighters were prime,they refused to fight floyd. In ODH and SHane's case it was floyd was too much risk not enough reward (and shane had toothache).

Now its clear manny refused to sign in Dec09, but there has been alot of stuff back and forth since then.

Cotto's people are on record not wanting the fight at the time.

And so we are clear, I'm not saying they ducked him or were scared of him (alhough shane was a lil *****). I'm just saying they all had the chance to make a floyd fight when they were prime instead of waiting like they did.

[D4thincarnation]

I actually agree with his theory on perceived ability vs proven ability & I love the Bute comparo.

Obviously Mayweather's proven ability is much higher than Bute's but it not as high as his perceived ability or as high as the proven ability of the likes of Duran, SRL and the other great fighters that some pick to lose Mayweather in a fantasy fight.

[D4thincarnation]

WHen each of these fighters were prime,they refused to fight floyd. In ODH and SHane's case it was floyd was too much risk not enough reward (and shane had toothache).

Now its clear manny refused to sign in Dec09, but there has been alot of stuff back and forth since then.

Cotto's people are on record not wanting the fight at the time.

And so we are clear, I'm not saying they ducked him or were scared of him (alhough shane was a lil *****). I'm just saying they all had the chance to make a floyd fight when they were prime instead of waiting like they did.

Let's not get caught up in why Mayweather did not take on the top fights he could have had, (that is another arugument) what matters is that they didn't happen, and thus he has failed to prove his perceived ability that people accredit him.

[The Big Dunn]

That is a good question

There is zero doubt that Floyd is a great boxer period.

But he avoided those that where the most dangerous at the time and that we know would challenge him.

When is the last time floyd fought someone that we KNOW would give floyd trouble?

If he chose to fight Sergio right now we would see have good he really is, or if he at the time fought prime Paul williams, Kostya we would simply better know have he reaches when he have to dig down deep.

Thats the point of what im saying , fighting all thise fighters that in no shape or form or paper aper to be his match will never cements his greatness as much as if he steeped up a fought someone really dangerous

How do you know someone would give him trouble?

Like I said Kosta lost so lets leave him out.

I mean, respectfully, how does beating Williams and Margarito elevate his resume? The title of "most avoided" isn't real. It's catchy but it doesn't make either better than they were. Besides, are we only going to talk about these guys strengths or them as complete fighters.

SO floyd was going to lose to a guy who lost to Carlos QUintana just because he could jab? Or he was going to lose to Margarito just because he pressured opponents and floyd had a close fight with Castillo?