Can Boxing Fans criticise Pacquiao for his catchweight fights and accept that Ward

[MELLY-MEL...]

My attitude is that if a fighters agrees to a fight at a certain weight than it is what it is. No excuses if u agree. Otherwise dont ****in agree to a weight your not happy with. Pretty simple imo. Same goes for moving up in weight.

[REMOVED SHARK 97]

FrWard always comes on top when he has the advantages.

[B Phontain]

Pacquiao wanted the fight at 147lbs.

7lbs is a big drop, Don't blame Cotto for not accepting or blame Pacquiao for making his stand, as he can't even make 147lbs.

Umm...wasnt pac 148 on fight night wit odl?

[Drunk Punch]

Not a fair comparison. Besides Dawson said he could make 168 in order to face Ward. He volunteered to.

Manny's team use the CW as a bargaining chip to gain an advantage against bigger guys.

[damned1974]

My attitude is that if a fighters agrees to a fight at a certain weight than it is what it is. No excuses if u agree. Otherwise dont ****in agree to a weight your not happy with. Pretty simple imo. Same goes for moving up in weight.

The real question is-Would Manny have taken a fight with Cotto if he didn't accept anything other than the limit of 147??? Why did they throw Cotto some money as opposed to just fighting at the limit???? There was an edge there in Pac's favor.

[boliodogs]

No one is talking about what would have been a waste of time rematch...

I'm not talking about before or during the presser with Pac. I'm talking about the before the fight with Foreman AFTER THE FIGHT WITH PAC. During those pressers. Where he said he felt fine against Pac there was no excuses and after Foreman if there is any good offers he would go back down to WW....Pretty much saying he had no trouble AT THAT TIME to fight at WW. However, fast forward to what you mentioned. He didn't want to sacrifice his body "AGAIN" insinuating he did the first time. When before he said he was OK AFTER THE FACT not BEFORE but AFTER.

I expect Dawson to do the same thing...Even if his body is just as good as Cotto body was at that time...I expect Dawson to give the weight excuse if he losses. It will be interesting though too see how fans would react to that excuse.

I remember Cotto said AFTER the Pacquiao fight that he was 100% and 145 had no bad effect on him. Now Floyd fans say only Floyd fought the undrained monster Cotto. Cotto himself tried to force Margarito to fight the rematch at a CATCHWEIGHT of 150. Why no *****ing about that? I believe Cotto is a welterweight that doesn't like to make weight. He is a bit soft looking at 154. He is no bigger than Floyd, only fatter.

[boliodogs]

Dawson is not a big light heavyweight. He weighed 173 for the Diaconu fight. He fought at 160 in 2005. He will be fine at 168 or he would not ask for that weight. Most pros know their own body.

[-Kev-]

is bring Dawson down to 168 lbs to fight him?

Can you lay blame at Manny but not at Andre, I find it hard to believe you can, unless you apply double standards.


I seen numerous posters criticise Pacquiao for his fights against, Cotto, Margarito, and for wanting the 2nd fight against Cotto at 147 lbs, but very few people criticise Ward for not fighting Dawson at 175 lbs

If anything Pacquiao should be criticised less.

After all he had already rose up through 8 weight class and could not reach the weight limit of the division he was fighting in and he gave away weight advantages in the ring against Marg and Cotto.

Ward on the other hand is a big super middle and can easily make the light-heavy limit.

Margarito was a carrer welter and was very comfortable at 150 lb.
Cotto a former light-wetler and only had to weigh in 1 lb less than his previous fight.

Dawson on the other hand is a career light-heavy, definitely not small at the weight but now has to drop 7lbs to face a top p4p fighter.


So can you crticise Pacquiao but not Ward and not show blatant double standards?


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Your first sentence ruined the whole entire thread for you.

Ward never asked for anything, he didn't tell Dawson to come down. Dawson offered himself at 168.

Pacquiao tells the fighter to come down or no fight.

[letsgobrady]

I remember Cotto said AFTER the Pacquiao fight that he was 100% and 145 had no bad effect on him. Now Floyd fans say only Floyd fought the undrained monster Cotto. Cotto himself tried to force Margarito to fight the rematch at a CATCHWEIGHT of 150. Why no *****ing about that? I believe Cotto is a welterweight that doesn't like to make weight. He is a bit soft looking at 154. He is no bigger than Floyd, only fatter.

cotto out his own mouth said i will not sacrifice my body again so wht do you think he meant when he said that?
what i find funny is when people say he only had to lose 1 lb compared to his last fight as if a fighter is at the weight he weighs in at until his next fight comes up

[boliodogs]

I thought December 6th 2008 was a great night for boxing because Oscar quit the fight and retired. That fight was Oscar's idea including the weight. He thought if he could beat Pacquiao it would be a shortcut to everyone recognizing him as the best fighter in the world pfp. Nobody tricked Oscar, his plan just backfired.He could have fought Margarito but he chickened out.