Can Boxing Fans criticise Pacquiao for his catchweight fights and accept that Ward

[Bushbaby]

A real champ he wasn't...He was a paper titlist. And, a good fighter he wasn't either...Very light puncher, and always had a bum knee. Oh he would have been criticize for cherry picking...And, it would have been rightfully so.

At that time Clottey>>>>Foreman...No question about it.

Yuri Foreman

Which is why Pacman fought a proven cheater & welterweight former title holder at a mannyweight for a 154lb title in a weight class neither deserved to be ranked in, ok.

I think the Foreman fight would have been far more presentable than the farce that happened.

[Roman Moreno]

I think the Oscar analogy is what fits more,but the difference is that Dawson and Ward hasn't fought yet,so we don't know what will happen.....we DO know what happened in the Oscar fight and we later heard Cotto say that he "will not sacrifice his body by weight draining himself for Pac again".

Yea but that was after contradicting himself saying he had no problem making 145 and that after Foreman if the money was right he would go back down to WW. It's cool he made an excuse on why he lost...That's fine...I expect Dawson to do the same thing regardless if his body is fine or not ala Cotto.

[RL_GMA]

Dawson said he'd go to 168 to fight him which is an actual weight division limit. Pacquiao asked Cotto for an actual catchweight (145lbs). With that being said, the catchweight wasn't why Cotto lost. Had Cotto been able to weigh up to 147lbs that night I still believe he loses. He didn't have the best game plan or corner going into that type of fight.

[Roman Moreno]

Which is why Pacman fought a proven cheater & welterweight former title holder at a mannyweight for a 154lb title in a weight class neither deserved to be ranked in, ok.

I think the Foreman fight would have been far more presentable than the farce that happened.

Where was Foreman when that farce that happen?

It was either Foreman or Clottey not Foreman or Margarito.

[damned1974]

Manny was the Ring Champ and Linear champ at 140lbs.

At 140,yes....at 147 he was not.When did he defend that 140 strap? In fact,why didn't he? Just as his fight at JMW-he had not stepped foot in the division,but was given a gift to fight another undeserving guy for a vacant strap....no wonder boxing is a joke-and a lot of the joke is coming from Top Rank's side!

[The Big Dunn]

A real champ he wasn't...He was a paper titlist. And, a good fighter he wasn't either...Very light puncher, and always had a bum knee. Oh he would have been criticize for cherry picking...And, it would have been rightfully so.

At that time Clottey>>>>Foreman...No question about it.

Yuri Foreman

He is also a decent boxer with reach that for some reason TR's matchmaker Goodman didn't think Manny would do well against.

I just thought the too tall reference made no sense. It never was about height.

[Mr. Philadel]

So Pacquiao should have made Cotto come down to 140lbs to fight him, that would have been better?

at 147...the FULL WW limit...thats all!!...just like Floyd's test crusade was SUPPOSED to be a mental tactic used against Manny, the same can be said for the dude who dictates which weight the other dude can come in at...especially when its BELOW the limit....so 147 would've been proper

[FUC_U_PAYME]

What do you want a gold star?


This thread is about the double standards some posters use.

It is clear that some posters let their personal feelings cloud their objectivity.

like you..........

[Roman Moreno]

Oh and FWIW, the the "too tall" was taken out of context.

[D4thincarnation]

Here's what I believe. If a fighter wants to challenge for a title at a higher weight, you do it on the champion's terms as far as the physical part is concerned. If catchweights are necessary, forget about the belt. It is totally relevant that the first thing asked for was a catchweight... by the challenger in Pacquiao/Cotto case. The fact that 145lbs was agreed doesn't make it any more valid.

If Ward was fighting for Dawson's title, it would be the same. Dawson threw down the challenge and offered the conditions, like DLH did. It's on him like it was on Oscar.

Didn't Pacquiao weighed in at 147lbs on the dot against Oscar? He's usually come in heavier than most opponents until recently on fight night, that's for sure.

142 lbs