Is Oscar De La Hoya underrated?

[Eaner0919]

Everyone in this thread except for Mak and IronDan has to be fairly new to the sport. That's the only explanation for such comments.

bingo

notice how all of them to a person mention only the fights Oscar's had above 140 acting like anything below didn't exist?

140 and below Oscar was a beast a fighter who utilized his height and power

147 and above it caught with him and while there were more marquee match ups his performances weren't ideally the best

I don't see how anyone can call post 140lb DLH underrated at all

[Roman Moreno]

bingo

notice how all of them to a person mention only the fights Oscar's had above 140 acting like anything below didn't exist?

140 and below Oscar was a beast a fighter who utilized his height and power

147 and above it caught with him and while there were more marquee match ups his performances weren't ideally the best

I don't see how anyone can call post 140lb DLH underrated at all

I agree, at 135 he was actually somewhat of a beast. I thought he had the a terrific combination of size, speed, power, and strength. And, his resume isn't bad in that weight-class at all either especially for such a short period time he was there. Beat, Leija, Molina, I think an underrated Ruleas, destroyed Rafael Ruelas in just 2 rounds, pretty crazy for me anyways at that time, Chicanito Hernandez, even Maromero Paez isn't a bad win IMO. And, that was in what a total of 3 years at that weight-class? Pretty good IMO.

But, at 147 and higher meh, I don't think he is underrated. I think he did a good job at that weight on fooling the new fans going to boxrec(for example Floyd-Oscar was close cuz' it says SD) and just seeing name after name. But, I don't think he was impressive or great at those weights. Below 140 looked like a beast.

[res]

Oscar is difficult to rate. When you look at his qualities individually, he should've been a much better fighter. He was not a sum of his parts.



Inexplicably?

Floyd started countering him with a right hand every time he threw a jab. He didn't just suddenly stop throwing the jab. Floyd adjusted and took it away.

Then Oscar resorted to flurrying like he was trapped in a phonebox filled with bees. All the while Floyd was deflecting them and countering with good hard punches.

The fight was not close.

Well I completely disagree about the jab, I'm talking circa round 7. Oscar dispenses with it inexplicably in order to flurry, without a technical answer for it ever appearing from Floyd. But you're right about the fight in general, looking at it again for the first time in a while, it really wasn't as close as I thought.

[Cardinal Buck]

ATG, but a bit overrated.

He fought everyone tho, I give him props for that but what was his signature victory? A coked up and fat Vargas? Over the hill Chavez and Sweat Pea (who he arguably didnt beat)? Ike Quartey?

and he would not beat Mayweather today in his 147 prime.

A coked up and fat Vargas? That was roids Vargas.

[Eaner0919]

I agree, at 135 he was actually somewhat of a beast. I thought he had the a terrific combination of size, speed, power, and strength. And, his resume isn't bad in that weight-class at all either especially for such a short period time he was there. Beat, Leija, Molina, I think an underrated Ruleas, destroyed Rafael Ruelas in just 2 rounds, pretty crazy for me anyways at that time, Chicanito Hernandez, even Maromero Paez isn't a bad win IMO. And, that was in what a total of 3 years at that weight-class? Pretty good IMO.

But, at 147 and higher meh, I don't think he is underrated. I think he did a good job at that weight on fooling the new fans going to boxrec(for example Floyd-Oscar was close cuz' it says SD) and just seeing name after name. But, I don't think he was impressive or great at those weights. Below 140 looked like a beast.

I'm still at a loss that anyone actually thinks Oscar won more than 4 rounds against Mayweather

[SpeedKillz]

I'm still at a loss that anyone actually thinks Oscar won more than 4 rounds against Mayweather

^^ this

[Roman Moreno]

I'm still at a loss that anyone actually thinks Oscar won more than 4 rounds against Mayweather

That's not watching the fight that is going by what boxrec said...Or maybe they did watch and just going by what HBO said...Kinda like thinking Oscar won 8 CLEAR rounds against Tito and therefor calling it a robbery. Because, they let the nuthugging commentators affect the way the fight is actually going.

[IronDanHamza]

That's not watching the fight that is going by what boxrec said...Or maybe they did watch and just going by what HBO said...Kinda like thinking Oscar won 8 CLEAR rounds against Tito and therefor calling it a robbery. Because, they let the nuthugging commentators affect the way the fight is actually going.

Dazed asked the TS to name those 8 rounds.

I'm still waiting on it.

[Mastermind24]

Oscar maybe won 4 rounds against Floyd, that is being generous.

How they called that fight a SD, was amazing to me.

Even Kellerman criticized the decision right after.

[Roman Moreno]

Dazed asked the TS to name those 8 rounds.

I'm still waiting on it.

I know people don't take me serious about this subject. But, it is one thing to think Oscar won the fight. I'm OK with that, what I don't understand the word robbery connected to it or that Oscar won 8 clear rounds. He really didn't. I thought he won 5 clear rounds and then there were 2 or 3 swing rounds that could have went either way. You could have given all of them to Oscar and that's how you could have Oscar winning or you could have given all of them to Tito and have Tito winning or a draw or whatever. But, a robbery? 8 clear rounds?

I also don't get Oscar being such an ATG fighter. Good fighter? No doubt, HOF'er? Has to be first ballot IMO. As soon as he is in the ballot he needs to get a check next to his name. Fun fact about Oscar, never fought a guy with a losing record. From his first pro debut, to his last fight no one had a losing record. And, that's pretty cool IMO. Every greater fighter that you can think of, SRL, Hearns, Hagler, Roy, Mayweather etc etc at one point in time fought a guy with a losing record at least once. So Oscar talented fighter, good fighter was brought up very well by a great machine like Top Rank.

However, not as great as most make him out to be. He just isn't. And, a prime Floyd beats any version of Oscar. Just too much skill and smarts from Floyd to lose to Oscar. Anything Oscar could do Floyd could possibly do it better. I don't see how any version of Oscar could beat a prime Floyd. And, with Pac, meh I don't know who would win. But, I think Pac gives him hell. A prime Oscar would not have an easy time with a prime Pac. Even if he wins it would be close competitive maybe even questionable.