Why is Calzaghes win over Hopkins so underated?

[TheHayeMaker]

NFL is like America's Rugby, only different. Rugby is a lot or gritty and nasty, but NFL players are, the average player, is far more skilled athletically. Rugby is fun to watch, really wish America would start doing it more. Also, America is good at Baseball, Basketball, Golf, Football, Boxing, MMA, etc.

If you lived in America, you'd see most don't care about Soccer, right or wrong. If more Americans played soccer, it'd be different.

Why you hate on America is beyond me, it's kind of childish.

ok **** all that

answer some questions


IS THE FACT THAT AMERICANS are no longer relevant in the HW Division

a big reason why the HW Division is now a fringe division in American boxing?



If Floyd Mayweather was British

Will he still be big in America?


Nobody hates America

I'm just pointing out the fact

America is one of the more bias countries

when it comes to sports

[Daddy T]

why do people have to get so butthurt and start crying and moaning about 'oh he's european therefore he doesn't get enough respect' etc etc If he had whopped bernard that night and whooped prime Jones he'd get massive koudos. He doesn't get 'enough' credit for the hopkins fight simply because he struggled to a debatable decision that many think should have gone the other way and then refused a rematch. Go play your butthurt 'oh i'm a poor european and don't get enough respect' to your mom. You don't have to be american to get respect in america just look at Pacman

[titan m]

I'm glad I didn't have to say it.

Well you made yourself look just as ****** by agreeing with him so no worries. Calzaghe won because he wanted to fight but Hopkins only wanted to roll around on the ground acting like a clown, how anybody can respect that **** from Bernard is beyond me. He fakes injury more than any fighter in history and cries racism or politics everytime he loses or something doesnt go his way. I used to be a big fan of his too but that changed long ago.

[4Corners]

it have a lot to do with this man


Come on.. lol.. America sucks at soccer

even though it's the world's most popular sport, America is against it and it's a fringe sport in the US.


American use to care about the HW

America now suck at the HW

Hence it's now a fringe division ...

If you lived here, you'd realize most Americans could careless about soccer and never really cared about it. If there were more youth's playing soccer, we'd probably produce better soccer players. It's like me saying Europe sucks at Basketball, because America has BY FAR the best basketball players.

And as far as HW's, most big kids like that aren't hanging around the gym anymore. They are playing football and still playing basketball. This country's youth is a lot different now man. Most of the kids you see in the gyms are smaller guys, 130-175 lbs tops. Not a lot of big kids in the gyms now days. The HW division for the most part has been s**t since Lewis-Holyfield-Tyson-Moorer-Bowe left the game.

Your anti-American views are just useless and pointless.

[4Corners]

ok **** all that

answer some questions


IS THE FACT THAT AMERICANS are no longer relevant in the HW Division

a big reason why the HW Division is now a fringe division in American boxing?



If Floyd Mayweather was British

Will he still be big in America?


Nobody hates America

I'm just pointing out the fact

America is one of the more bias countries

when it comes to sports

But you're talking like because America doesn't really do soccer, that we're inferior in sports.

All I know is when it comes to Olympics is this......

Olympic Medals:

USA- 2,549 medals/929 gold medals

More than twice as many as any other country. So your notion of we are only good at sports we do is moot.

[4Corners]

ok **** all that

answer some questions


IS THE FACT THAT AMERICANS are no longer relevant in the HW Division

a big reason why the HW Division is now a fringe division in American boxing?



If Floyd Mayweather was British

Will he still be big in America?


Nobody hates America

I'm just pointing out the fact

America is one of the more bias countries

when it comes to sports

Lennox Lewis, by most who know boxing, gets his due for what he did. He's not the GOAT or the best HW of all-time, but he's an ATG who gets his due and is a Top 10 HW career-era-resume wise and probably Top 5 H2H no doubt.

Floyd Mayweather, if he was british with the same personality, would get his due. He's 43-0, won 8 titles in 5 weight classes, 3x linael champ, one of the top 1-2 fighters in his era. The fact that he's American has nothing to do with him getting his props for being an ATG.

[A-Wolf]

why do people have to get so butthurt and start crying and moaning about 'oh he's european therefore he doesn't get enough respect' etc etc If he had whopped bernard that night and whooped prime Jones he'd get massive koudos. He doesn't get 'enough' credit for the hopkins fight simply because he struggled to a debatable decision that many think should have gone the other way and then refused a rematch. Go play your butthurt 'oh i'm a poor european and don't get enough respect' to your mom. You don't have to be american to get respect in america just look at Pacman

Well said.

[TheHayeMaker]

Lennox Lewis, by most who know boxing, gets his due for what he did. He's not the GOAT or the best HW of all-time, but he's an ATG who gets his due and is a Top 10 HW career-era-resume wise and probably Top 5 H2H no doubt.

Floyd Mayweather, if he was british with the same personality, would get his due. He's 43-0, won 8 titles in 5 weight classes, 3x linael champ, one of the top 1-2 fighters in his era. The fact that he's American has nothing to do with him getting his props for being an ATG.

Lewis got his due after he was retired ......... mostly in part because the HW Division became ****

and because of the hatred the Klits generated


Nobody said Americans were not good at sports

you mis read my meaning

What I said is that

America no longer care about the HW DIVISION because they suck at it now


and AMERICA never cared about soccer because they were never good

saying american kids dont play soccer is a lie

there are more youth soccer groups then there are basketball groups

Once again nobody is doubting America's sports abilities, they are #1

but I'm just saying

1- they dont care about HW'S cuz they have none

2- they never cared about soccer cuz they were never good

that's it

oh and

3- calzaghe is Euro , hence he don't get credit

1 and 2

are facts

3 is an opinion

[4Corners]

Lewis got his due after he was retired ......... mostly in part because the HW Division became ****

and because of the hatred the Klits generated


Nobody said Americans were not good at sports

you mis read my meaning

What I said is that

America no longer care about the HW DIVISION because they suck at it now


and AMERICA never cared about soccer because they were never good

saying american kids dont play soccer is a lie

there are more youth soccer groups then there are basketball groups

Once again nobody is doubting America's sports abilities, they are #1

but I'm just saying

1- they dont care about HW'S cuz they have none

2- they never cared about soccer cuz they were never good

that's it

oh and

3- calzaghe is Euro , hence he don't get credit

1 and 2

are facts

3 is an opinion

You think there's more average America kids playing soccer than Basketball??? You've obviously never seen the vast amounts of inner city/inner city like neighborhoods in this country.

Kids that are the size of HW's aren't going to gyms to be boxers, if you lived here you'd see that. Soccer is a red headed step child here in terms of kids wanting to play it. Far more kids, inner city-suburban-inner city like areas, play football-baseball-basketball than soccer and it's not even close. I knew one kid in my high school that played soccer when he was growing up.

Americans don't really like or care about soccer. I'm sure if Europeans cared or liked baseball, there's be European basbeall players in the MLB but there isn't. If Americans cared or put more time into soccer, they'd produce better soccer players.

[TheHayeMaker]

You think there's more average America kids playing soccer than Basketball??? You've obviously never seen the vast amounts of inner city/inner city like neighborhoods in this country.

Kids that are the size of HW's aren't going to gyms to be boxers, if you lived here you'd see that. Soccer is a red headed step child here in terms of kids wanting to play it. Far more kids, inner city-suburban-inner city like areas, play football-baseball-basketball than soccer and it's not even close. I knew one kid in my high school that played soccer when he was growing up.

Americans don't really like or care about soccer. I'm sure if Europeans cared or liked baseball, there's be European basbeall players in the MLB but there isn't. If Americans cared or put more time into soccer, they'd produce better soccer players.

http://articles.cnn.com/2006-07-03/us/rise.kids.sports_1_youth-sports-tennis-lessons-kids?_s=PM:US

youth sports

as of 2006

In soccer, which remains the popular youth sports, numbers have risen from about 15 million in 1987 to more than 17.5 million in 2002, the latest date for which numbers are available, according to U.S. Soccer.

n Pop Warner Football, participation has nearly doubled in the last 15 years, from about 130,000 players to 260,000 players,


17 million kids playing soccer

compare to 260,000 playing youth football

at a competitive level


at high school level
it evens out.

at college level

obviously football takes over.

the older Americans get, the worse they get at soccer


I rest my case