1 thing i have noticed bout Cotto fans and appreciate

[Walt Liquor]

I hate when posters put words in peoples mouth. That is so annoying.

i posted your post dunn.

[IMDAZED]

Did Margarito bring more to the table than Baldomir? No.

Were the majority of Floyd critics asking him to fight Baldomir and accusing him of ducking him? Yes.

Do the majority of Floyd critics who were asking him to fight Baldomir and accusing of ducking him, now give him credit for that win? Nope.

Would it have made any difference with Margarito? No.

Cotto is a good opponent to the majority of boxing fans(not to me), pre-May 5th 2012. Let's see post May 5th 2012.

I'm not discussing what he brought to the table. I'm not saying Floyd ducked him. What I'm saying is that Carlos Baldomir couldn't hold Margarito's jock strap. At all.

[Walt Liquor]

Did Margarito bring more to the table than Baldomir? No.

Were the majority of Floyd critics asking him to fight Baldomir and accusing him of ducking him? Yes.

Do the majority of Floyd critics who were asking him to fight Baldomir and accusing of ducking him, now give him credit for that win? Nope.

Would it have made any difference with Margarito? No.

Cotto is a good opponent to the majority of boxing fans(not to me), pre-May 5th 2012. Let's see post May 5th 2012.

this is absolutely 1000% false.

[IronDanHamza]

quote me where I said he avoided it or stfu. I said floyd could have GONE AFTER certain fights that could have increase his ATG status BUT I dont blame him for chasing $. Maybe you should read some posts before you jump in.

But, you said "Mayweather could have been an Top 25 ATG if he wanted" which is obviously implying that he avoided fights that would enhance his legacy.

When asked what these fights are you give Hatton at 140

So I asked the question, how did he avoid this fight?

Are you now saying he didn't avoid these fights? So, is that not debunking your own theory

no he wasn't. he is way to short, has no strength advantage and his arms are tiny at WW.

Yes, he was.

He did nothing better at 140 than he did at 147.

Only difference was WW's are bigger than Jr WW's. So when fighting a big WW like Collazo he didn't have his usual luxury.

Good thing Mayweather isn't a big WW.

Thus, why it really makes no difference where their fight was at. 140 or 147.

duh, my point is his resume would be better for it. many boxing floks were picking margs in that fight, NONE were picking baldo. you tell me if that's better for one's resume or not.

Who said Mayweather shouldn't have fought Margarito? Not me.

I'm laughing at the idea a win over him elevates his ATG status drastically

no motherfuc ker. stop putting words in my mouth. so far I sad a win over margs instead of baldo, a win over hatton at 140 where he was the best fighter, and a win over sergio at 160 would make him arguably a top 25 atg. it would certainly give him the best resume in boxing right now and would have shut up a lot of his naysayers.

Stop putting words in your mouth?

Did you not just say "Mayweather is a lower tier ATG"?

Explain, what is that? Where is that ranking? There are 100+ ATG's. If he's in the lower...Explain where his ranking would be. Near the bottom, no?

Yet, in the very next sentance you said "A win over these fighters put him in the Top 25"

Again, it doesn't add up.

And no, it wouldn't shut up the naysayers. Mayweather has been "shutting up naysayers" for years. Every fight he has it's a case of "Now, he will shut up the naysayers"

[THE REED]

I'm not discussing what he brought to the table. I'm not saying Floyd ducked him. What I'm saying is that Carlos Baldomir couldn't hold Margarito's jock strap. At all.

If we really want to get technical.

Baldomir probably could hold Margaritos jockstrap.

[Doctor_Tenma]

he would have had more success at 140

Maybe you didn't watch Jr WW Floyd?

Don't know how anyone could say that.

[Walt Liquor]

I don't respect Ricky Hatton?

Based on what?

Ironically, I traveled across the UK a few years back just for the chance to shake his hand.

But, I don't respect him? Any other baseless claims you'd like to throw out while you're at it?

I followed Ricky Hatton's entire career. From his very first televised fight. Hatton at 140 is no better than the Hatton at 147.

I laugh out the loud at the idea of Mayweather fighting Hatton at 140 being;

1. A fight Mayweather avoided

2. A fighter that would enhance his legacy more than his win over him already in his prime.

3. A clear grasp as you have no other examples.

Manny maybe.........just maybe. C'mon Dan

[Bushbaby]

Just stepped in from taking my daughter to the park. This tread is still hot as hell bwoy!!

Anyway I noticed that Floyd is getting passes for taking the money route. Which in & of itself is fine. However, the problem with that is that it shouldn't be argued about how great he is when his resume could have been much much better.

A man shouldn't call himself the greatest if he fights the money fight & not the legacy fight. But to have his fans admit it & defend it & tear down anyone that can possibly beat him saying that they're not a money maker is flawed from a fans stand point IMO.

[IMDAZED]

so the bold makes absolutely no sense at all. better opponents don't enhance resumes.

ya'll couldn't even come up with Manny as another person Floyd hasn't fought that could put him at top 25 ATG status.

but he bullshi ts for years. like with sergio

My point is that it made no difference to his resume. Being a lineal champ doesn't mean squat. Carlos Baldomir was lineal champ - does that mean he was a better opponent than Margarito? No. I point out that Mayweather was better at 140 because what I'm saying is that the difference between them at 147 was immaterial.

Bull****s for years? Explain. Because you haven't been able to.

[IronDanHamza]

he would have had more success at 140

How?