Prime 147 Shane Vs Prime 147 Floyd

[4Corners]

See, this is the problem with all these fights we talk about with Floyd. He was never that big, he moved up way too fast to chase the Oscar fight so he didnt stay in weight classes long, and its only recently that he's fighting in a more stronger way.

Its hard to compare him because he obviously wasnt at his best at LW when he fought JLC but you could tell by the N'Dou fight he was more comfortable at the weight. However, he wouldve looked 10x better then even that if he had stayed at that weight for 3 more years like he easily couldve and filled out more.

If you talk about Floyd at WW, its still a hard thing just like the other classes. He obviously is far more in his prime in his early WW fights but he's also obviously far more stronger & filled out now but is not in his prime anymore. Basically my point is that unlike all the other fighters we always talk about, we never got to or get to see the full Floyd package except for SFW. Other then that we never get to see him in his prime while also being filled out physically.

We never get to see Floyd at WW with his early years athletic ability but stronger and more filled out like he is now. If we put those 2 together then none of those guys come close to touching him. They all had that going for them but Floyd doesnt. With that being said, he's still a beast who can make up for it. Even with him being filled out now, he's still only coming into the ring at 150 so those guys would have a huge advantage over him.

Even at LW Floyd is only coming in at 138 while Shane was huge. Thats why Shane was able to jump 2 weight classes. Ive always said that Im a Floyd fan but I think he did kinda avoid guys like Margarito & Cotto at WW but it was stritctly a physical thing. I think his team felt that he would win but it was possible there would be problems.

If you talk about a guy like Margarito, him & Floyd arent even in the same stratosphere. Floyd is on a much higher class. No one would ever compare them or talk about a fight being close except for the fact that Margarito was a huge natural WW at the time and Floyd was truly a LW at that time. I think Floyd's people felt that they would kill themselves if Floyd lost to such an inferior fighter strictly because he was too big for Floyd to do anything with. Even if Floyd won he would have to run & pot shot which everyoen would rip him for.

Fast forward to now. Floyd is not fighting guys like Mosley & Cotto because they are old. He's fighting them because he physically feels strong enough to compete with them now. Even though he's only a couple of pounds bigger then before, he's much more comfortable at the weight. I tell people all the time that this version of Flody wouldve fought the prime Cotto & Margarito because he would have no fear of them being able to bully him or overpower him. People overlook that kinda stuff.

The problem now is what I talked about before. Now Floyd has that size & stregnth but he's not in his prime anymore and doesnt have the same legs. We were fortunate enough to witness him with his current mass & strength to go along with his prime legs & quickness. The other guys had all there stuff togetehr. This Floyd wouldve easily fought a prime Cotto & Margarito. No doubt about it. Now if it was this Floyd with his early WW speed & legs then he would run to those fights because those guys would have no chance. Floyd's only downfall was size & power because he moved up too fast

Floyd should have fought Juan Lazcano at LW though, instead of N'dou or right after N'dou at least. Castillo was the best LW of his era, very very good win for Floyd. Sosa was a Top 10 LW at the time, didn't mind that fight. I really wanted him to fight Lazcano after Lazcano beat Johnston though. But, Floyd opted to move up to 140 instead to fight Corley, Gatti, etc. No problem with that, just wish he would have fought Lazcano there.

[DLT]

Floyd should have fought Juan Lazcano at LW though, instead of N'dou or right after N'dou at least. Castillo was the best LW of his era, very very good win for Floyd. Sosa was a Top 10 LW at the time, didn't mind that fight. I really wanted him to fight Lazcano after Lazcano beat Johnston though. But, Floyd opted to move up to 140 instead to fight Corley, Gatti, etc. No problem with that, just wish he would have fought Lazcano there.

Juan turned it down

[turbotime]

I had Floyd losing by a point due to the point deduction, when I watched it live. He didn't look like a world beater in those fights, but he still won wide UD's. And I'm glad you mentioned Sosa. That wasn't THAT bad of a fight at that point. Sosa was a Top 10 LW at the time, and was robbed of a title win over Spadafora. And Carlos Hernandez was a Top SFW contender and would go on to win a title, and fight Morales later on.

But still, all I was saying is that Shane never really beat anyone at 135 aside from Holiday, Leija, and Molina. And Holiday was clearly the best of those 3. Floyd beating Castillo was far and away better than all 3 of those, and the Sosa fight was probably equal to Leija and Molina in terms of quality at that time.

Sosa is a good fighter, but he wasn't robbed at all in the Spaddy fight, it was close, but I still thought Spad won it. Fck Spaddy too. He's about as good as Leija and Molina

[4Corners]

Molina wasn't in the Top 10. He'd done literally nothing of note since getting beaten by Oscar in 95.

Leija wasn't in the Top 10 but then creeped in the bottom half of the Top 10 when he beat a 40 year old Azumah Nelson who stopped him in 6 rounds 2 years prior. And a fight before that was stopped by Oscar in 2 Rounds.

Oscar deserves credit for the Leija and Molina wins, IMO. Mosley, does not.

The only legit win Mosley has at 135 is Holiday. That's it, really.

I'll give him a little credit for Leija though, and Holiday was a good win.

I was just pointing out that comparing what Shane did at 135 to what Roy did at 175 was ridiculous.

[4Corners]

Sosa is a good fighter, but he wasn't robbed at all in the Spaddy fight, it was close, but I still thought Spad won it. Fck Spaddy too. He's about as good as Leija and Molina

I thought Sosa won that fight, just my opinion. I was just pointing out that Floyd's win over Sosa was at least equal to Shane's wins over Leija and Molina. And Floyd's win over Castillo was light years better than Shane beating Holiday.

So Floyd actually did a lot more by just beating those guys than ever did at 135.

[IronDanHamza]

Sosa is a good fighter, but he wasn't robbed at all in the Spaddy fight, it was close, but I still thought Spad won it. Fck Spaddy too. He's about as good as Leija and Molina

1995 versions of those fighters , yes.

1998? Not so much.

[turbotime]

I thought Sosa won that fight, just my opinion. I was just pointing out that Floyd's win over Sosa was at least equal to Shane's wins over Leija and Molina. And Floyd's win over Castillo was light years better than Shane beating Holiday.

So Floyd actually did a lot more by just beating those guys than ever did at 135.

So because Floyd beat one guy, that equals two Mosley wins? No.

I'm sticking with Shane beating Floyd at 135, sorry man.

[Zano-24]

I can't believe people think he would beat Floyd if they both were in their primes. Shane had too many flaws that he could never ever fix. Look at both fights vs Winky Wright and you will quickly get your answer right there. Shane is good but he relies too much on his speed and power and not enough skill to win. This is exactly why Winky beat him as easily as he did.

[KnockUTheFukOut]

PRIME...STILL WOULD NOT HAVE HELPED MOSLEY!

he always struggled against SKILLED BOXERS, that is why he lost to both Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright...TWICE EACH! IN HIS PRIME!

[4Corners]

So because Floyd beat one guy, that equals two Mosley wins? No.

I'm sticking with Shane beating Floyd at 135, sorry man.

No. But Floyd beating Castillo and Sosa is far superior to Shane was beating Holiday, Leija, and Molina. Castillo alone is superior Shane beating those 3.

H2H, it's a good fight, I'm rolling with Floyd on that one. It's all opinions. But Floyd did more at 135 by just beating Jose Luis Castillo, the best LW of his era. That's all I'm saying. And all I mentioned about Sosa was that win is equal to Leija or Molina when Shane beat them. That's all.