Maskaev Getting Screwed!!

[badblood]

I already told you, what you think isn't relevent. You're not concearned with the big picture, and are thinking exclusivly of Maskaev and how you want to see him fight.

You keep screaming for unifications, I dont see them anytime soon with Toney, Brewster, or anyone else. And that's their fault. Till then, give me what I was promised.

[Bozo_no no]

You keep screaming for unifications, I dont see them anytime soon with Toney, Brewster, or anyone else. And that's their fault. Till then, give me what I was promised.

I'm not screaming anything, I'm showing you why what you think is poor for the Heavyweight division as a whole.

Wlad is fighting either Brewster of Byrd next, and that's a unification fight. Ruiz is fighting Valuev in December. Toney and Rahman are expected to fight in March or April. By the spring of 2006:

- The winner of Ruiz Valuev
- The winner of Toney Rahman
- And the winner of Byrd / Brewster / Wlad (plus the one guy who'd be left out)

will all be available to fight in a inification Tournament.


I don't care what the WBC promised Maskeav or Sam fans, or what the IBF excites within Ray Austin fans.

A unification tourney is what's best for the division.

[!!Captain]

Then what ARE you trying to say?

If this isn't about Maskaev, your only point is that you don't see any point in anything happening.

There's no logic in that.

I keep repeating the same thing, because you're not making any kind of point.

The only thing that matters right now is narrowing down a group of 5 or 6 fighters until one guy is deserving of the #1 spot.

It's what's been needed for years now, and it seems it's more likely to happen now than it has in years.

If you don't agree that's the best course of action, what do you suggest should happen?

You are right, I don't see any point in this "unification" that will produce another paper champ unless, as I said, Toney will unify or Wlad manages to get over whatever was wrong with his head. What I suggest is to forget about HW until the new real champion comes along. Until then, I will not pay a single $1 to watch any of these "unification fights" and suggest everyone do the same.
Gotta go to sleep, early wake up tommorrow. Until then, yours truly.

[Bozo_no no]

You are right, I don't see any point in this "unification" that will produce another paper champ unless, as I said, Toney will unify or Wlad manages to get over whatever was wrong with his head. What I suggest is to forget about HW until the new real champion comes along. Until then, I will not pay a single $1 to watch any of these "unification fights" and suggest everyone do the same.
Gotta go to sleep, early wake up tommorrow. Until then, yours truly.

So what you're suggesting, is that if one of the two fighters you like unifes, that's positive and legit, but if it's one of the other few you don't like, it's a paper champion.

That makes a lot of sense.

And then you go on to assert we just shouldn't worry about it until some young heavyweight comes along and wins all the titles, which could be 3 years - never.

It's been difficult to debate with you, because you're not suggesting anything realistic or meaningful.

Again, there are 6 guys right now almost everyone can agree on as being the top of the division. This hasn't been the case in years.

They need to fight eachother; and unify.

If that's someone you like, great. If it's someone you don't, tough luck. The fact is they would have BEATEN the guys you just mentioned you were rooting for to get there.

Either way, whoever unifies of the current group is as deserving as it gets,

and that's more than we've had in years, or are likely to have otherwise for some time to come.

[masterdirector]

if zab ever beats mosley and mayweather i will give my points away for the next 3 years

well go ahead and start now, cause if they quitting *****ing out and actually fight him, it will happen.

[moochi]

the only time the rules are adhered to, is when it suits them..........thats basically how it is?.....wbc...do you remember what they did to rocchigiani?

[masterdirector]

the only time the rules are adhered to, is when it suits them..........thats basically how it is?.....wbc...do you remember what they did to rocchigiani?

screw rocchigiani. he never wanted to fight jones anyhow.

he's glad they did it now I bet. He got more money than he ever would have otherwise.

[whdempsey]

Oleg Maskaev fought Sinan Samil Sam and beat him for the #1 spot did he or did he not? How in the hell does James Toney get the mandatory over Maskaev? Juan Carlos Gomez beat Oliver McCall in a WBC eliminator, so Toney should fight JC Gomez at the very least before fighting Rahman. To me this is unfair and the WBC continues to break their own rules.

Yes, they continue to break their own rules, but the truth is that based on skill alone, and maybe even overall heavyweight accomplishments, Toney deserves it more than either of those fellows.

[masterdirector]

This is more reason for a single boxing league. A league wouldn't have use for promoters or sanctioning bodies. each division would have a single champ and the rankings would always pretty much make sense.

Take the welterweight WBA current top 5:
Super Champ - Zab
Regular Champ- Collazo
1 Urkal
2 Mosley
3 Carlos Quintana
4 Frederic Klose
5 Michael Trabant

Instead, something more like this:
Champ - Zab
1. Mosley
2. Margarito
3. Mayweather
4. Collozo
5. Spinks

Here, some would argue Margarito or Mayweather should be #1, but it wouldn't be so bad since someone else good is named #1. Obviously it'd be ridiculous if someone, say Pat Coleman, were #1 while Mosley or Mayweather or Margarito isn't. That's the kind of **** that goes on now.

[whdempsey]

This is more reason for a single boxing league. A league wouldn't have use for promoters or sanctioning bodies. each division would have a single champ and the rankings would always pretty much make sense.

Take the welterweight WBA current top 5:
Super Champ - Zab
Regular Champ- Collazo
1 Urkal
2 Mosley
3 Carlos Quintana
4 Frederic Klose
5 Michael Trabant

Instead, something more like this:
Champ - Zab
1. Mosley
2. Margarito
3. Mayweather
4. Collozo
5. Spinks

Here, some would argue Margarito or Mayweather should be #1, but it wouldn't be so bad since someone else good is named #1. Obviously it'd be ridiculous if someone, say Pat Coleman, were #1 while Mosley or Mayweather or Margarito isn't. That's the kind of **** that goes on now.

What do you call The Ring? Apart from the oldest authority in boxing, I mean. It's better to have a vacant championship in any given weight divison than four filled ones in a single class. That's why the ring is so useful. That, and they're pretty much always on the money in their ratings.