Erik Morales is greater than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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  • Weebler I
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    #51
    Originally posted by Roman Moreno
    It doesn't matter if it's harder to win away from home...The where doesn't have anything to do when determining greatness. None at all, the where doesn't matter.
    For the sake of argument picture Mayweather flying 7000 miles to Manila to fight pfp#1 Pacquiao in front of 80,000 baying Filipinos and beating him in his backyard in front of his own fans in his own country.

    You can't tell me that wouldn't be worth more on his resume. Of course it would, it would be one of the great sporting feats.

    Imo you're wide of the mark bro but I respect your view.
    Last edited by Weebler I; 03-26-2012, 09:16 AM.

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    • BIGBOXINGFAN
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      #52
      Originally posted by hugh grant
      If Floyd fought khan or hatton in england hed be so terrified his pot shotting wouldnt work, floyd would go for the ko, and end up being ko'ed himself.

      Thats how fighting away from home is. Floyd has never encountered adversity because he refuses to see what its like as it terrifies him, and cos of that he isnt as good as he could have been. Unfulfilled potential he is just another statistic who coulda, woulda but didnt.
      Are you for real or just trolling?

      Promoters make fights where they can make the most money.
      Site fees, gate, etc.

      Floyd fights in Vegas because it's where the most money is.

      You must not remember Floyd going to atlantic city and beating Gatti in his own back yard,

      Floyd fights in Vegas but most of the crowd in the arena paid to see him lose.
      His back is always up against a wall.

      It's not like 17,000 fans in the mgm are there to cheer floyd.

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      • BIGBOXINGFAN
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        #53
        Originally posted by The Weebler II
        For the sake of argument picture Mayweather flying 7000 miles to Manila to fight pfp#1 Pacquiao in his in front of 80,000 baying Filipinos and beating him in his backyard in front of his own fans in his own country.

        You can't tell me that wouldn't be worth more on his resume. Of course it would, it would be one of the great sporting feats.

        Imo you're wide of the mark bro but I respect your view.

        It would be good for his resume to beat Pac anywhere.

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          #54
          Originally posted by The Weebler II
          'where' is also important, it's difficult to fight thousands miles from home with foreign officials and fans than in your backyard with everyone (often including judges) pulling for you

          There are a lot of things to be taken into account when assessing two different fighters.
          No it isn't. Whens the last time Manny Pacquaio fought outside of America or any big name in the sport. You start off in your country and then you move to America to become a star. Since an American is born in America they obviously start their career and if they become a star, like Floyd they fight in America. It's the same with any star. Sergio Martinez will probably never fight outside of America again. Amir Khan will likely never fight outside of American again unless it's in his home country. Manny Pacquaio will never fight outside America again.

          What don't you understand about America being the spot where superstars fight?

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            #55
            Originally posted by The Weebler II
            For the sake of argument picture Mayweather flying 7000 miles to Manila to fight pfp#1 Pacquiao in front of 80,000 baying Filipinos and beating him in his backyard in front of his own fans in his own country.

            You can't tell me that wouldn't be worth more on his resume. Of course it would, it would be one of the great sporting feats.

            Imo you're wide of the mark bro but I respect your view.
            and 80,000 people in Manila wouldn't even be a fraction of what the fight would make in Vegas.

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            • BIGBOXINGFAN
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              #56
              Originally posted by jose830
              You really believe that,
              cause I completely agree with you

              Prime Morales would destroy prime Floyd
              The same prime Morales that lost to raheem?
              Dude stop.

              Destroy a prime Mayweather?
              Wow.

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                #57
                Originally posted by Check
                No it isn't. Whens the last time Manny Pacquaio fought outside of America or any big name in the sport. You start off in your country and then you move to America to become a star. Since an American is born in America they obviously start their career and if they become a star, like Floyd they fight in America. It's the same with any star. Sergio Martinez will probably never fight outside of America again. Amir Khan will likely never fight outside of American again unless it's in his home country. Manny Pacquaio will never fight outside America again.

                What don't you understand about America being the spot where superstars fight?
                The guy is a troll........

                The troll guy should ask himself this question............

                Why has Pacquiao, delahoya,Mayweather,tyson, Holyfield, Leonard, Hagler,hearns,Duran, all fought their biggest fights in Vegas?

                Because thats where they make the most money.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by BIGBOXINGFAN
                  The guy is a troll........

                  The troll guy should ask himself this question............

                  Why has Pacquiao, delahoya,Mayweather,tyson, Holyfield, Leonard, Hagler,hearns,Duran, all fought their biggest fights in Vegas?

                  Because thats where they make the most money.
                  Basically any top tier fighter either fought in their home country, or America. It has been like that for a long time. Sure, there a few when they were younger had to travel other places because they needed a paycheck or their country simply didn't have the resources to hold fights but once a fighter is established, very few are willing to travel outside of America or their home town. Well, it just so happens Floyd is American so why on Earth would anyone think a superstar of his status would travel to another nation.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by BIGBOXINGFAN
                    It would be good for his resume to beat Pac anywhere.
                    No doubt, but a much tougher ask over there.

                    Originally posted by Check
                    No it isn't. Whens the last time Manny Pacquaio fought outside of America or any big name in the sport. You start off in your country and then you move to America to become a star. Since an American is born in America they obviously start their career and if they become a star, like Floyd they fight in America. It's the same with any star. Sergio Martinez will probably never fight outside of America again. Amir Khan will likely never fight outside of American again unless it's in his home country. Manny Pacquaio will never fight outside America again.

                    What don't you understand about America being the spot where superstars fight?
                    lol take your stars and stripes shades off for a second brother and first look at the importance of home advantage in sport generally then look at boxing and the particular emphasis fighters place on trying to secure a home bout and all the advantages which lie therein.

                    Forget the US patriotism for a second and tell me that Paulie Malignaggi fighting Senchenko in the Ukraine isn't going to be a much tougher bout to win than if he fought him in New York City. Tell me that it wasn't tougher for B-Hop to get the win over Pascal in Canada than it would have been in his hometown - hell these guys will tell you themselves!

                    When fighters are taken out of their zone away from home comforts we find out what they're made of and how strong their character is and yes, how good they are. A win away from home is always going to look better in any sport and this is especially the case with boxing where the mental edge is so important and corruption with judges is rife.

                    Being from the US I wouldn't expect you to understand it as your fighters mostly fight at home, but try to picture Rocky when he beat Drago in front of all those Russians, they staged the fight there for a reason, it wouldn't have been the same if he'd won it in the MGM or somewhere safe

                    An away win is better in your opponent's backyard is better on any resume than a home win.

                    Originally posted by BIGBOXINGFAN
                    The guy is a troll........

                    The troll guy should ask himself this question............

                    Why has Pacquiao, delahoya,Mayweather,tyson, Holyfield, Leonard, Hagler,hearns,Duran, all fought their biggest fights in Vegas?

                    Because thats where they make the most money.
                    No one's dis*****g that, given the choice however all the foreign fighters you mentioned would not have fought anywhere but their hometown. Why?

                    because it's easier to win at home and tougher to win away from home, that's sport and that's boxing.
                    Last edited by Weebler I; 03-26-2012, 09:34 AM.

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                    • Roman Moreno
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by The Weebler II
                      For the sake of argument picture Mayweather flying 7000 miles to Manila to fight pfp#1 Pacquiao in front of 80,000 baying Filipinos and beating him in his backyard in front of his own fans in his own country.

                      You can't tell me that wouldn't be worth more on his resume. Of course it would, it would be one of the great sporting feats.

                      Imo you're wide of the mark bro but I respect your view.
                      If he beats Pac it wouldn't matter where he beats him at.

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