Erik Morales is greater than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[Bonza]

What do you mean? They were top rated when Morales beat them. Ayala was a "fighter of the year" winner for crying out loud.

I dont mean to insult. No offense but you really should brush up on your history. Look at things with an open mind.

And I dont really want to get to a point when I bash Floyd's competition faced.

Erik is my favorite figher (with Toney and Whitaker). I watched all availible his fights..guys which u r talking about are good fighters but i can't say they are top level boxers (as ODLH for instance)..have you looked other Espades fights? Absolutely nothing special. Maccalugh lost all his fights with top level fighters and so on...overall, if you saing that JMM was to small for Floyd, then why are u not saing that Ayala was to small for Erik..

[The Big Dunn]

Well you damn sure can't get credit for it.

And, calling out means nothing. If you don't do anything behind the scenes to make it happen. Again the Pryor-Leonard example. Pryor kept calling out Leonard. Even HBO legendary nights tried to make it seem like Leonard ducked him. But, the one who turned down the fight was Pryor not Leonard. Even though Pryor did the all mighty "CALL OUT" so ******ed. Floyd had done this in the past too. Like against Stevie Johnston called him out. Was offered the fight turned it down. It is what it is.

Kostya did NOT refuse to fight Floyd. At all. JMM turned down Morales or as you will call it "refuse"(Kostya didn't even refuse either). But, Morales doesn't and shouldn't get credit for that either.

Some fights might not happen. Not because one is refusing or ducking or turning it's because it just didn't happen. Period.

I never said or implied anyone ducked anyone. And while I agree with your points about calling people out, you use of it to question my post is illogical.

My point is, Shane and ODH, who fought floyd when they were old, had an oppotunity to fight floyd when they were prime. Because floyd was high risk low reward, they refused. Not ducked, refused. SO if you are going to criticize the wins because of age of the opponent, it seem you should also point out that WAS THEIR DOING, NOT FLOYD'S.

[Roman Moreno]

I dunno about the "refused" thing, but bottomline those fights that mattered for Floyd never happened at the right time. Oscar was 2-3 years late. Mosley and Cotto too. Marquez who was old was undersized compared to him.

Morales had no problem facing the best in , around his weightclass. No silly demands just plain old take the best available challenge attitude.

There are plenty of fighters Morales didn't face either. While he was at 130 so was Corrales and Casamayor. Fights were never made, so was of course JMM which was pointed out earlier.

At 126 he didn't fight Hamed, nor did he ever unify vs the likes of Derrick Gainer, Johnny Tapia, Manuel Medina. And, other fighters who held titles at that weight.

122 never fought Kennedy McKinney nor did he fight Bongu who had a quality run at 122 while Morales was there.

So yes plenty of fights, great fights as well could have happen that didn't for Morales as well.

[The Big Dunn]

I dunno about the "refused" thing, but bottomline those fights that mattered for Floyd never happened at the right time. Oscar was 2-3 years late. Mosley and Cotto too. Marquez who was old was undersized compared to him.

Morales had no problem facing the best in , around his weightclass. No silly demands just plain old take the best available challenge attitude.

They didn't happen at the right time but is it floyd's fault or their's? Mosley, ODH, Cotto, and ultimately MAnny all could've fought floyd when they were prime. They didn't. Now if all you are gonna do is blame floyd, so be it.

Morales had no problem facing the best in , around his weightclass. No silly demands just plain old take the best available challenge attitude.

Agreed. That's because the best had no problem facing erik. The best have a problem facing floyd. Which is why floyd is the greater fighter!

[Roman Moreno]

I never said or implied anyone ducked anyone. And while I agree with your points about calling people out, you use of it to question my post is illogical.

My point is, Shane and ODH, who fought floyd when they were old, had an oppotunity to fight floyd when they were prime. Because floyd was high risk low reward, they refused. Not ducked, refused. SO if you are going to criticize the wins because of age of the opponent, it seem you should also point out that WAS THEIR DOING, NOT FLOYD'S.

You put Kostya in that line when he never refused anything. Calling out means nothing. Oscar and Shane did turn him down. But, not every fighter that Floyd called out turned him down. He also called out fighters and then turn down the fighters he called out ex: Stevie Johnston.

[Roman Moreno]

Agreed. That's because the best had no problem facing erik. The best have a problem facing floyd. Which is why floyd is the greater fighter!

That is NOT why Floyd is the greater fighter. To think that is the reason why is just plain ******ed.

[klipsch speaker]

They didn't happen at the right time but is it floyd's fault or their's? Mosley, ODH, Cotto, and ultimately MAnny all could've fought floyd when they were prime. They didn't. Now if all you are gonna do is blame floyd, so be it.

Morales had no problem facing the best in , around his weightclass. No silly demands just plain old take the best available challenge attitude.

Agreed. That's because the best had no problem facing erik. The best have a problem facing floyd. Which is why floyd is the greater fighter!

LOL... Wow.. another criteria in judging greatness just to conform with a fan's agenda...

Im outta here... Thanks for the replies to my thread...

[Roman Moreno]

Yes and no. Usually when those discussions come up, they often heavily factor in on when fighters took the fights against their notable opponents, at what weight, and also who they didn't or wouldn't fight. Names on resume and titles while significant don't represent the full story on their own.

It mainly resume and accomplishment. More importantly than who is when also applies. All the other factors should come in as a possibly tie-breaker.

[jtiger777]

they are both great at what they do, but neither do the same things

[Weebler I]

It mainly resume and accomplishment. More importantly than who is when also applies. All the other factors should come in as a possibly tie-breaker.

'where' is also important, it's difficult to fight thousands miles from home with foreign officials and fans than in your backyard with everyone (often including judges) pulling for you

There are a lot of things to be taken into account when assessing two different fighters.