Erik Morales is greater than Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[Bonza]

johnson, at some point in roy's life, was able to ko him. At no point in floyd's life will erik ever be able to do that.

As for accomplishments, floyd mayweather has been one of the 2 or 3 best p4p fighters in the world for roughly 8-10 years. His resume speaks for itself.

Morales has had great fights, but ward and gatti had 3 great ones and that doesn't make them any better fighters. I have tremendous respect for morales.

But any way you cut it, titles, weight classes, p4p, skills, he can't compare to floyd mayweather.

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[klipsch speaker]

Johnson, at some point in Roy's life, was able to KO him. At no point in floyd's life will erik ever be able to do that.

As for accomplishments, floyd mayweather has been one of the 2 or 3 best p4p fighters in the world for roughly 8-10 years. His resume speaks for itself.

Morales has had great fights, but Ward and Gatti had 3 great ones and that doesn't make them any better fighters. I have tremendous respect for morales.

But any way you cut it, titles, weight classes, p4p, skills, he can't compare to floyd mayweather.

I cant understand why you bring up Gatti-Ward fight in here.

You really want to bring up resumes? OK...

Daniel Zaragoza, Junior Jones, Hernandez, McCullogh, Ayala, Espadas are at least comparable to Floyd's laundry list of fighters beaten. (Hernandez, Coralles, Castillo, Judah, Corley)

Floyd's HOF beaten: Dela Hoya, Mosley, Marquez (All OLD! Marquez was Damn Undersized!)

Morales has Barrera and Pacquiao... Prime.

There is just no one in Mayweather's resume as quality of a name as those two... NOBODY...

[Weebler I]

It will take a loss before the half the Flomos will jump off FMJ's dick to assess his career properly.

At the moment they're riding the '0' hard but the reality is if you have a 0 on your record after 42 pro bouts then you're not taking the fights you were supposed to take when you were supposed to take them.

Morales did and came out in credit, that's why he's greater.

[Bonza]

I cant understand why you bring up Gatti-Ward fight in here.

You really want to bring up resumes? OK...

Daniel Zaragoza, Junior Jones, Hernandez, McCullogh, Ayala, Espadas are at least comparable to Floyd's laundry list of fighters beaten. (Hernandez, Coralles, Castillo, Judah, Corley)

Floyd's HOF beaten: Dela Hoya, Mosley, Marquez (All OLD! Marquez was Damn Undersized!)

Morales has Barrera and Pacquiao... Prime.

There is just no one in Mayweather's resume as quality of a name as those two... NOBODY...

Espades, McCullogh, Hernandes?...joking?

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Espades, McCullogh, Hernandes?...joking?

What do you mean? They were top rated when Morales beat them. Ayala was a "fighter of the year" winner for crying out loud.

I dont mean to insult. No offense but you really should brush up on your history. Look at things with an open mind.

And I dont really want to get to a point when I bash Floyd's competition faced.

[The Big Dunn]

I cant understand why you bring up Gatti-Ward fight in here.

You really want to bring up resumes? OK...

Daniel Zaragoza, Junior Jones, Hernandez, McCullogh, Ayala, Espadas are at least comparable to Floyd's laundry list of fighters beaten. (Hernandez, Coralles, Castillo, Judah, Corley)

Floyd's HOF beaten: Dela Hoya, Mosley, Marquez (All OLD! Marquez was Damn Undersized!)

Morales has Barrera and Pacquiao... Prime.

There is just no one in Mayweather's resume as quality of a name as those two... NOBODY...

I explained why I used them for reference.

As for his resume, the difference is prime fighters opted to fight Morales, while the prime fighters floyd called out when moving up, Floyd, Shane, Kosta, Manny all refused to fight floyd when they were prime. Its hard to penalize floyd for that.

And erik still hasn't fought JMM.

[Roman Moreno]

You can't say who wins h2h determines greatness. It doesn't plain and simple it just doesn't.

Neither can you do a triangle theory of how they looked against common opponent.

For example someone mentioned Jesus Chavez. Floyd fought him in his prime at his absolute best weight-class. Erik Morales was already at the tail end of his prime, maybe already past prime, in not his best weight-class. Already in his 3rd weight-class.

One can't say either that Floyd would have beaten Morales at any weight-class. Morales was at his best arguably the 2nd greatest at 122, Floyd was at his best arguably the 2nd greatest at 130. Where would this fight have taken place? What weight? At a weight that favors Floyd, not Morales? So what does that determine? Nothing really. Would it be at a weight that would favor Morales and draining Floyd therefor weakening him? What would that determine? Nothing really.

Either way both are ATG's. Both might be legends in their own different ways. I like Morales more, he entertained me more, and flat out I respect his style the way he fought, his mindset more. I rank Floyd ahead of him because of Floyd resume and accomplishments.

And, at the end of the day that's what matter when talking about rankings. H2H, better skill, better talent, undefeated record really matter nothing to little. It could be use for a tie breaker if you have one. What matters truly is resume and accomplishment.

[Roman Moreno]

I explained why I used them for reference.

As for his resume, the difference is prime fighters opted to fight Morales, while the prime fighters floyd called out when moving up, Floyd, Shane, Kosta, Manny all refused to fight floyd when they were prime. Its hard to penalize floyd for that.

And erik still hasn't fought JMM.

Well you damn sure can't get credit for it.

And, calling out means nothing. If you don't do anything behind the scenes to make it happen. Again the Pryor-Leonard example. Pryor kept calling out Leonard. Even HBO legendary nights tried to make it seem like Leonard ducked him. But, the one who turned down the fight was Pryor not Leonard. Even though Pryor did the all mighty "CALL OUT" so ******ed. Floyd had done this in the past too. Like against Stevie Johnston called him out. Was offered the fight turned it down. It is what it is.

Kostya did NOT refuse to fight Floyd. At all. JMM turned down Morales or as you will call it "refuse"(Kostya didn't even refuse either). But, Morales doesn't and shouldn't get credit for that either.

Some fights might not happen. Not because one is refusing or ducking or turning it's because it just didn't happen. Period.

[Weebler I]

What matters truly is resume and accomplishment.

Yes and no. Usually when those discussions come up, they often heavily factor in on when fighters took the fights against their notable opponents, at what weight, and also who they didn't or wouldn't fight. Names on resume and titles while significant don't represent the full story on their own.

[klipsch speaker]

I explained why I used them for reference.

As for his resume, the difference is prime fighters opted to fight Morales, while the prime fighters floyd called out when moving up, Floyd, Shane, Kosta, Manny all refused to fight floyd when they were prime. Its hard to penalize floyd for that.

And erik still hasn't fought JMM.

I dunno about the "refused" thing, but bottomline those fights that mattered for Floyd never happened at the right time. Oscar was 2-3 years late. Mosley and Cotto too. Marquez who was old was undersized compared to him.

Morales had no problem facing the best in , around his weightclass. No silly demands just plain old take the best available challenge attitude.