If Martinez has KO'ed 3 straight MW's, how is he "TOO SMALL" to fight @168?

[letsgobrady]

My post has literally nothing to do with Sergio Martinez. Let alone comparing the size of Bernard Hopkins and Sergio Martinez.

your post stated that some people said that bernard drained himself for most of his career to make mw and i was just pointing out a reason for those comments

[-Spinal-]

Well that's because the 168 was fairly none existent during most of Hagler reign.

The WBA crowned their first SMW champion in 1987 the year that Hagler retired. The WBC crowned their first SMW champion in 1988, with the SRL-Lalonde sham, Hagler was already gone by then.

If the 168 division had the respect back then as it does now...Who knows, maybe he would have moved up, maybe he wouldn't.

I don't think using Hagler was the right guy to make the point you're trying to make.

I am sure 168 was not what it is now back then. Hence why I said "Maybe Hagler should have moved up a weight class." Not maybe Hagler should have moved up to 168. And in another post in this thread I said, Hagler should have moved up to "168 or 175 whatever".

Na, i'm perfectly fine with using Hagler as my example. The whole point is some one who's dominating a weight class so much, that they need move up even though they don't want to.

[bojangles1987]

your post stated that some people said that bernard drained himself for most of his career to make mw and i was just pointing out a reason for those comments

But I was responding to a post about Hagler never moving up to light heavyweight, and how people thought he was picking on smaller fighters the same way they say Hopkins drained himself to stay at middleweight and pick on smaller fighters. That was the reason for my comments. Nothing to do with Sergio.

[kiaba360]

This is why I hate how much power the boxing public gives the mythical P4P rankings. It's now an expectation for guys to move up as much as they can, even if it's clear that they'll be out-gunned at the next weight. If you don't, the public says that you're not fulfilling your entire potential or they'll call you a "ducker" or "coward". I'm gonna agree with the belief that, if you can make the weight safely and still compete at your highest level, then I have no problems. If Donaire can physically get himself down to 122, fine. If Rios can get himself down to 135, cool. If Chavez's *****-ass can continue to weigh at 160 (without any illegal help), then let him do it. It's useless discussing the weight topic because the structure encourages guys to drain themselves as far as they possibly can, while still remaining effective. Sergio's best weight is without a doubt 160. At 154, he might not be as effective. But, at the end of it all, it's what the boxer and his team decide.

[turbotime]

Yea to fight LHW's...The TS is not asking Martinez to fight at LHW. The TS is asking why "NOT" fight SMW's, even at a catch-weight at that.

168 was pretty invisible back then. All of Hagler and Martinez' counter parts have moved up MULTIPLE weight classes. why Can't Serg do one more?

Floyd moved up 5
Manny has like 8 divisions
Marquez 6
Leonard 4
Hearns 7
Duran 8

Dare to be great, Sergio.

[letsgobrady]

Yea to fight LHW's...The TS is not asking Martinez to fight at LHW. The TS is asking why "NOT" fight SMW's, even at a catch-weight at that.

if andre ward was mayweather or pacquiao than i bet sergio would but andre ward is not, sergio is ranked higher on the p4p list and is a lil more recognized than ward.sergio also has stated previously that he doesn't like catchweights

[bojangles1987]

Qawi was like 5'5. hagler was a greedy basterd, thats all there is to it.

Hagler was a middleweight. It was the weight he was comfortable at and it's where he wanted to stay. Same reason Hopkins stayed at middleweight for so long. Hell, Hopkins probably would have retired at middleweight if not for the two losses to Jermain Taylor.

[letsgobrady]

But I was responding to a post about Hagler never moving up to light heavyweight, and how people thought he was picking on smaller fighters the same way they say Hopkins drained himself to stay at middleweight and pick on smaller fighters. That was the reason for my comments. Nothing to do with Sergio.

o k but what i was trying to say is atleast those people had some sort of an argument with those comments

[turbotime]

Hagler was a middleweight. It was the weight he was comfortable at and it's where he wanted to stay. Same reason Hopkins stayed at middleweight for so long. Hell, Hopkins probably would have retired at middleweight if not for the two losses to Jermain Taylor.

Sure, but I was merely stating it's a falsehood for people to claim that no one wanted Hagler to move up.

[-Spinal-]

168 was pretty invisible back then. All of Hagler and Martinez' counter parts have moved up MULTIPLE weight classes. why Can't Serg do one more?

Floyd moved up 5
Manny has like 8 divisions
Marquez 6
Leonard 4
Hearns 7
Duran 8

Dare to be great, Sergio.

Martinez has moved up MULTIPLE weight classes already. 3 to be exact. One less than one that you mentioned there, Leonard.

This makes me bring up Hagler again

Hagler fought at one weight class his whole career, so he wasn't great then? He didn't dare to be great?

I'd like to see how any one will twist my example this time.