If Martinez has KO'ed 3 straight MW's, how is he "TOO SMALL" to fight @168?

[Atreyu Khalil]

Does Martinez 3 straight KO's over legitimate Middleweights prove that he is not out of his element at 160lbs?. If he is "small" for his division, how is he knocking out MW's? He has grown into a legit middleweight. He walks around at 180lbs to 190lbs. How could someone that claims he is "SMALL for Middleweight", knocking out Real Middleweights? Why is he saying he is too small to fight the guys @168lbs?

He has been calling out Chavez Jr who has been coming into his fights recently weighing 180lbs right on the button. Wouldn't Martinez have some problems if he comes into a fight against Chavez Jr. weighing 154. Being out-weighed by 25 pounds could be a factor for Martinez.

Wouldn't one of the 168lb fighters also weigh about 180lbs on fight night? Is Sergio avoiding the 168lbs guys because of their skill or cause of their weight? If Chavez weighs the same amount of weight on fight night as the 168lbers why is Sergio trying to fight him if he is a small MW?

[savorduhflavor]

Because he's clearly too small for 168. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. Yea he's got really solid pop at 160, but he's not a big guy dimension wise. He's a small MW, how many people he's knocking out doesn't change that. He probably walks around at 170-175, maybe 185 if he's out of shape....a guy like Carl Froch or Lucian Bute probably walk around at 190-200. There's a clear size difference and a significant one at that.

[Atreyu Khalil]

Because he's clearly too small for 168. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. Yea he's got really solid pop at 160, but he's not a big guy dimension wise. He's a small MW, how many people he's knocking out doesn't change that. He probably walks around at 170-175....a guy like Carl Froch or Lucian Bute probably walk around at 190. There's a clear size difference and a significant one at that.

What do you mean by to small? Elaborate please

Wouldn't Manny be considered too small for WW which is his 7th weight class? MW is only Martinez 3rd weight class.

JMW is Mayweathers 5th weight class.

[Atreyu Khalil]

Because he's clearly too small for 168. If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you. Yea he's got really solid pop at 160, but he's not a big guy dimension wise. He's a small MW, how many people he's knocking out doesn't change that. He probably walks around at 170-175, maybe 185 if he's out of shape....a guy like Carl Froch or Lucian Bute probably walk around at 190-200. There's a clear size difference and a significant one at that.

I've read Martinez's walking weight is at 180 lbs (I don't know if this is true). I recall 30 days before the Paul Williams fight he was at 176 lbs. How does come down to 154 without getting weak? Now he's talking about going down to 150 to get a fight with either Pacquiao or Mayweather?

[Atreyu Khalil]

Just last week Unbeaten WBA/WBC super middleweight champion Andre Ward says he’s ready to face WBC Diamond middleweight champion Sergio Martinez next if he can get a fight against him. Ward still doesn’t have a scheduled opponent for his next fight after taking care of Carl Froch with ease last December in a one-sided 12 round decision in the Super Six tournament. Ward watched Martinez’s 11th round TKO win last Saturday night against Matthew Macklin and had this to say about it: “I’ve never seen Macklin fight, but pulling for Martinez for a possible fight between us. Good win for for Martinez. Did what he had to do. I’m ready!!…I’m ready for whatever.”

[kiaba360]

I will say that Sergio won't move up because of a combination of skill and size that the top 168lb'ers possess. Chavez shouldn't even be in the same paragraph with a guy like Ward. Ward won't be weight-drained, is more fit and athletic, and has the skill to beat Sergio too. One of the rules in boxing is, A good big man beats a good little man. Sergio ain't necessary little, but I think because the SMWs could legitimately be LHWs, it would probably make the task very difficult to overcome. And, if you don't mind me puttin on my rose-tinted glasses on, being a MW champion is more historically significant. That probably is a slight factor in why Martinez even campaigns at the weight to begin with, because he wants to be a part of history. Sure, the belts are so tainted and the ABC organizations are so corrupted these days, but having that WBC strap still symbolizes something to Martinez.

I think if the SMWs were comparable to Sergio's size, and there was a larger $$$ incentive to move up, he would. But, it just makes more sense to fight Chavez, regardless of how much of an untested bum we think he is. He holds a last name and belt that have a legacy behind it, although he ain't doing **** with them. I won't lose sleep if Sergio doesn't move up, it's not something I expect of him. People usually bring the topic of him moving up, because he's asking for Floyd/Pac to do what he refuses to. That's very true, but Floyd/Pac have already set a precedent for themselves, and Martinez isn't asking them to do something that they haven't already. I understand where he is coming from, and I understand if Pac doesn't want to comply. I hold Floyd in higher regard than Pac tbh, and if he doesn't make some kind of attempt to fight Sergio, I'll be a tad disappointed, but i'm not really expecting him to go up to 160 and to fight him. They don't have to fight one another if they don't want to, cuz it isn't a necessity. Ward fighting Martinez when he's in a competitive division is not necessary. I think some people feel that Sergio has been taking an easier path than most, and that he should take a risk that seems so unnecessary, because some just want to see him lose. Ward beating Sergio does very little for Ward, I would expect him to win.

[Bushbaby]

He can't compete with the top fighters at 168, that's why. Are you scared of him fighting certain fighters at 154 or something?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

How many different ways are you going to try to say Sergio should fight at 168?

We get it. You're very protective over Floyd

[turbotime]

Mainly because the guys at 168 are too good for him. He should stay at 160 and clean out the division.

[savorduhflavor]

What do you mean by to small? Elaborate please

Wouldn't Manny be considered too small for WW which is his 7th weight class? MW is only Martinez 3rd weight class.

JMW is Mayweathers 5th weight class.

Some people are built great for boxing. Floyd is built perfectly to jump weight classes. He's thin, not stocky and he's unusually long. And Floyd is too small for 154.

Pacquiao is too small for Welterweight but until he got to Lightweight he was always huge for his weight class as his body continued to grow into each weight class. Pac is unquestionably fighting at least one weight class higher than he should be fighting.

To criticize Martinez for not going to 168 is totally and completely absurd. Martinez is what, 5'10? He's short for a MW, he's thick, and he's not unusually long.

He'd be at a 3-4 inch height advantage against any of the top guys at MW and he's visibly a smaller man than all of them as well. This isn't difficult to see. Martinez, like a guy like Cotto, don't have the body types to jump weight classes like some guys do.