So Pacman beats Martinez at 154, how??

[IronDanHamza]

To be honest, unless it was a classic matchup that left us in awe of both fighters afterwards, it would probably end up as a lose-lose fight for both fighters. If Pac wins, Sergio was old and weight drained. If he loses, then he's a bum. If Sergio wins, he beat up a smaller guy he was supposed to beat up. If he loses, he's a bum.

We'd be stoked leading in, and the excuses would roll in immediately afterwards. Same possibility with Mayweather, but it's generally more accepted at this point if Mayweather-Martinez happens.

That's true.

But to actual fans of the sport and to the people that matter and are worth a damn it would be considered a huge legacy boost for either man.

[bojangles1987]

That's true.

But to actual fans of the sport and to the people that matter and are worth a damn it would be considered a huge legacy boost for either man.

I would applaud the risk, no matter what happened, for Pacquiao. Would be great if he won impressively against Bradley and then took that final weight jump to 154 against Martinez to end his career. I could be a big fan again the day he retired, no matter what happened.

[IronDanHamza]

I would applaud the risk, no matter what happened, for Pacquiao. Would be great if he won impressively against Bradley and then took that final weight jump to 154 against Martinez to end his career. I could be a big fan again the day he retired, no matter what happened.

That would be incredible and enhance his legacy no doubt.

Win or lose, he'd be hugely respected.

[Brother Jay]

I'd really like to know how some think so, I mean really. We're talking about a Pacman that wanted to fight an early 2012 version of Cotto, but no higher than a mannyweight of 148.

We're talking about a Pacman that couldn't even beat a lightweight at a mannyweight of 144 convincingly.

We're talking about a Pacman that struggled with a shot Mosley proven shot 2 fights & an entire year before.

Now while Martinez isn't fighting world beaters lately, he's still bigger, & better than any fighter that Pacman has beaten over 130. (Excluding the great Marquez) who pfp all time is better than Martinez, (just not at welterweight vs Martinez at 154).

So the question is: How does a Pacman that can't beat shot, or tiny fighters, beat a bigger, stronger, fast & elite fighter like Martinez?

I'd give Manny a good chance to beat Martinez if he came in juiced up.

Why not?

If Barker and Macklin could give Martinez that kind of trouble, I'm not going to write Manny's chances off. Especially if the match took place at anything less than 154.

I've always said that Martinez was overrated because many hail him as a top fighter because of two wins in 53 fights. The posts are still here.

I can't believe that some people here that I respect see this guy Sergio for more than he really is. He's fighting soft touches to stay relevant until he gets a huge payday against either Mayweather or Pacquiao.

I think perhaps that some are dazzled by his style .. keeping his hands down, pot shotting, being pretty slick for a latin fighter .. but that doesn't mean that he is more than he's actually accomplished.

I like the guy, but the fans want to see him do something against someone of merit. Unfortunately for Sergio, his closest legitimate opponents are at 168, WHICH SERGIO COULD MAKE BECAUSE HE'S WEIGHED AS MUCH ON FIGHT NIGHT.

Sergio will avoid SMWs like the plague because I believe that he's 2-3 fights from being done. He's holding out for May or Pac, and he can't chance a loss a 168lbs. Maybe after a match with either of the two, but not before then.

Truthfully, if Sergio got desperate to come down to 150, I might just choose Pac to win. Mannyweights have been the secret to Pacquiao's success and I see Sergio being too weak if he came in at 150 on fight night.

[brick wall]

pac has already reached his limit at 147...in fact welterweight is already a push for him. it just so happened that the competition at WW is weak right now except floyd of course. that fight with margarito at 150, although he won it, was a harsh realization for pac. he doesn't belong there and boxing fans should recognize that. of course pac can be beat at 154, he's not made for that weight.

[BoxingGenius27]

I'd give Manny a good chance to beat Martinez if he came in juiced up.

Why not?

If Barker and Macklin could give Martinez that kind of trouble, I'm not going to write Manny's chances off. Especially if the match took place at anything less than 154.

I've always said that Martinez was overrated because many hail him as a top fighter because of two wins in 53 fights. The posts are still here.

I can't believe that some people here that I respect see this guy Sergio for more than he really is. He's fighting soft touches to stay relevant until he gets a huge payday against either Mayweather or Pacquiao.

I think perhaps that some are dazzled by his style .. keeping his hands down, pot shotting, being pretty slick for a latin fighter .. but that doesn't mean that he is more than he's actually accomplished.

I like the guy, but the fans want to see him do something against someone of merit. Unfortunately for Sergio, his closest legitimate opponents are at 168, WHICH SERGIO COULD MAKE BECAUSE HE'S WEIGHED AS MUCH ON FIGHT NIGHT.

Sergio will avoid SMWs like the plague because I believe that he's 2-3 fights from being done. He's holding out for May or Pac, and he can't chance a loss a 168lbs. Maybe after a match with either of the two, but not before then.

Truthfully, if Sergio got desperate to come down to 150, I might just choose Pac to win. Mannyweights have been the secret to Pacquiao's success and I see Sergio being too weak if he came in at 150 on fight night.

Sergio is no Marvin Hagler at 154. We understand that.

But I think Sergio is getting so much attention because in all honesty, Pac and Mayweather ran out of opponents to fight a long time ago.

I think Sergio brings new life to the discussion besides the Manny vs Floyd possibility.

In my opinion, I think Sergio is a solid fighter. Beating Macklin and a guy who I never heard of in Barker, has nothing to do with why I feel like that.

I think what really changed my opinion on Sergio is when he beat Pavlik, although I don't think it was the same Pavlik that Hopkins fought and when he KO'd Williams in 2 rounds. We're living in a time where there aren't any Roberto Durans, Leonards, Hearns, Robinson's or Jones walking around.

Everybody can't live up to what those guys did. So we as boxing fans make the best out of the available fights we have. If that means Sergio beating Pavlik and Williams (his two best wins), with Cintron getting honorable mention; so be it.

FYI, his win over Cintron was descent, nothing special.

That's just how I'm looking at it Brother.

[flat1985]

Martinez is too big for Pac. If they were the same size i pick Pac all day long.

[Bushbaby]

I'd give Manny a good chance to beat Martinez if he came in juiced up.
Why not?

If Barker and Macklin could give Martinez that kind of trouble, I'm not going to write Manny's chances off. Especially if the match took place at anything less than 154.

I've always said that Martinez was overrated because many hail him as a top fighter because of two wins in 53 fights. The posts are still here.

I can't believe that some people here that I respect see this guy Sergio for more than he really is. He's fighting soft touches to stay relevant until he gets a huge payday against either Mayweather or Pacquiao.

I think perhaps that some are dazzled by his style .. keeping his hands down, pot shotting, being pretty slick for a latin fighter .. but that doesn't mean that he is more than he's actually accomplished.

I like the guy, but the fans want to see him do something against someone of merit. Unfortunately for Sergio, his closest legitimate opponents are at 168, WHICH SERGIO COULD MAKE BECAUSE HE'S WEIGHED AS MUCH ON FIGHT NIGHT.

Sergio will avoid SMWs like the plague because I believe that he's 2-3 fights from being done. He's holding out for May or Pac, and he can't chance a loss a 168lbs. Maybe after a match with either of the two, but not before then.

Truthfully, if Sergio got desperate to come down to 150, I might just choose Pac to win. Mannyweights have been the secret to Pacquiao's success and I see Sergio being too weak if he came in at 150 on fight night.

I stopped reading after the bold. I for 1 never thought Pacman was juiced up, nor see the reason why it is an assumption that he was outside of Floyd claiming he was.

It's as clear as day IMO that masterful matchmaking is the reason why he looked so good beating the fighters he did. It doesn't take illegal stuff to stop 2 men previously ko'd. One at a mannyweight in favor of Pacman.

So please leave juice & all that lame stuff outa this tread, thanks.

[zab191]

PacMan would die if he fought Martinez. Pac is going to want to trade punches Martinez is stronger and just as fast as Pac. One big bomb from Martinez and Pac will be seeing stars. Pac needs to be beat Bradley first but that aint going to happen.

[Tamis!]

I don't think the current version of Manny can beat Martinez. Why?

Aside from Sergio being too big, and the fact that hanging with a legit MW is pushing it too far, Manny lost that killer instinct we know of him.

But if Manny can bring it back, here's how he'll beat Martinez.

He'll use the in-out movement to the hilt, throwing a buncha punches to keep Sergio and his jab from a distance, he'll use laterals to protect his mid section from Sergio's body shots, and everytime Sergio tries to walk him down, he'll simply slip sideways from him and throw shots at angles Sergio wouldn't catch at blinding speed (just like what Dela Hoya got himself into). And knowing how ****y Martinez is putting those hands down, he'll never know what hit him and how fast those hits were.

But sadly, that Manny of old may not ever come back, he's more of a compassionate wuss right now.

And if ever Sergio catches him with what Margarito threw at him at that 6th rd when his hands got entangled thru the ropes, then it's game over.

Let's see if he still has that instinct when he faces Bradley this June.

Coz in my opinion only one fight for Manny is where it will all come back, and everyone knows who it is for, that's why the other side knew it and had self preservation as their flavor of the month.