Comments Thread For: DiBella: Ward, Bute Too Big, That's Like Martinez-Klitschko

[kiaba360]

Can people remember when Sergio Martinez knocked out Paul Williams and people were saying ''What a classy guy'' because he turned down the prospect of a fight with Manny Pacquiao because, apparently, he had a sense of sportsmanship and believed the guy was too small? Deemed as the people's champ, taking on all challengers and what not.

Now he is doing the complete opposite. I agree that Ward is probably too big for him but if he wants to cement his legacy, if he wants to earn a pay check it is a risk he should take.

Now what makes me is laugh is that Martinez is not willing to take that risk for his legacy and a pay day yet he expects Mayweather and Pacquiao to take the same risk for what exactly?

Martinez is taking the risk by offering to go down to 150, and giving up most of his purse to make the Mayweather fight happen. If he goes down to 150 or up to 168, it'll be a risk either way. But, I think fighting Mayweather is worth more than fighting Ward or Bute, for Martinez lol. Floyd will get criticized if he fights him at a catch-weight though, so if they fight, it would probably be at 154. The risk:reward ratio is better if he fights Floyd than if he fights Ward/Bute.

[Queen_Leia]

Not nearly as much as Floyd, Manny or Chavez. Let alone Oscar...lol

But Floyd and Manny don't want to fight him so he needs to move on....Floyd and Manny careers are already defined and they don't need Sergio for this.

The already are -

a) Rich

b) FIRST BALLOT HALL OF FAMERS

Sergio needs to stop chasing them, clean out his division or move the f.uck up and test yourself.

Floyd and Manny started out at the lower weights and move up division after division testing themselves.

Being P4P isn't just being a good fighter, it means that your ability in ANY weight division will carry you through

Floyd has move up multiple division and been successful
Manny has move up multiple division and been successful
Hopkins has move up multiple division and been successful
Oscar has move up multiple division and been successful
Mosley has move up multiple division and been successful
Toney has move up multiple division and been successful
Cotto has move up multiple division and been successful
Roy has move up multiple division and been successful


And this is why those names I listed above will be voted into the hall of fame on the FIRST BALLOT.

Sergio needs to stop being a b.itch, forget that Ward and Bute is too big BS and trust your ability and go fight them....this is what true P4P greats and future hall of famers do.

[peplz]

If you think Martinez is the same size as Hopkins, Taylor or Pavlik, you're simply delusional. If i meant height, I would have said height.

Of course he would prefer to cut less weight but that doesnt mean he couldnt comfortably make 154 if the right fight came along. He weighs in at 157. Why would he move down to fight Dzinzurik? What would be the actual point of that?

Okay, delusional is a very colorful adjective. But if you are claiming guys that weigh the same amount and are fighting in the same division are not the same size you really gotta ask yourself who is the delusional one. If you don't mean height, and you are saying that him being more muscle bound than the fighters that you mentioned doesn't have anything to do with his frame, what on earth do you mean? Do you even know? Do you have any explanation for your claims that Martinez is smaller than the fighters you mentioned as a middle weight? He is more stocky and muscular than Taylor, Pavlik or Hopkins were as middle weights. And having to cut more than 25 lbs to make weight is the same as any fighter would normally have to do. So what are you saying. You're making a lot of excuses for this guy man. First he's not really a middle weight and then he would rather not have to cut the weight to get lower. Which one is it? And how would you know that he can still make junior middle weight comfortably when he hasn't done it more than 3 years?

[peplz]

Martinez is taking the risk by offering to go down to 150, and giving up most of his purse to make the Mayweather fight happen. If he goes down to 150 or up to 168, it'll be a risk either way. But, I think fighting Mayweather is worth more than fighting Ward or Bute, for Martinez lol. Floyd will get criticized if he fights him at a catch-weight though, so if they fight, it would probably be at 154. The risk:reward ratio is better if he fights Floyd than if he fights Ward/Bute.

If he beats Ward or Bute at super middle weight he'll be doing what a P4P top contender is supposed to do by going up and fighting the tougher challenges. If he goes down in weight and beats Pacquiao or Mayweather he may make a lot of money and gain more fame but it won't really enhance his legacy. "The undisputed middle weight champion of the world defeats the welter weight champion." Wooptie Doo... That doesn't sound like any kind of historical achievement. But if he goes down in weight and he loses he just looks like an idiot. And if Mayweather or Pacquioa defeat him they did it when he was less than his best at a lower weight. So a win over him doesn't enhance their legacies either. If he beats one of them he doesn't become #1 P4P because he went down instead of up in weight. Going down in weight is not how one enhances their P4P status. If so it would be the first time in the history of the sport.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Okay, delusional is a very colorful adjective. But if you are claiming guys that weigh the same amount and are fighting in the same division are not the same size you really gotta ask yourself who is the delusional one. If you don't mean height, and you are saying that him being more muscle bound than the fighters that you mentioned doesn't have anything to do with his frame, what on earth do you mean? Do you even know? Do you have any explanation for your claims that Martinez is smaller than the fighters you mentioned as a middle weight? He is more stocky and muscular than Taylor, Pavlik or Hopkins were as middle weights. And having to cut more than 25 lbs to make weight is the same as any fighter would normally have to do. So what are you saying. You're making a lot of excuses for this guy man. First he's not really a middle weight and then he would rather not have to cut the weight to get lower. Which one is it? And how would you know that he can still make junior middle weight comfortably when he hasn't done it more than 3 years?

Not everyone in the same division is the same size. Its like saying Roy Jones was a natural heavyweight because he fought there and weighed in over 200lbs. You use your eyes to realise that Martinez is smaller than someone like Hopkins. A persons frame is just that, I dont know how to simplify it any further for you, I would think it was self explanatory.

He weighs in at 157lbs for middleweight fights, its a safe bet that he can cut those 3lbs. Your assertion that he should have fought Dzinzurik at 154 makes NO SENSE . What would be the point? I notice you sidestepped that question. Dzinzurik wanted to fight for the middleweight title whilst still keeping his belt at 154 in case he lost.

[kiaba360]

If he beats Ward or Bute at super middle weight he'll be doing what a P4P top contender is supposed to do by going up and fighting the tougher challenges. If he goes down in weight and beats Pacquiao or Mayweather he may make a lot of money and gain more fame but it won't really enhance his legacy. "The undisputed middle weight champion of the world defeats the welter weight champion." Wooptie Doo... That doesn't sound like any kind of historical achievement. But if he goes down in weight and he loses he just looks like an idiot. And if Mayweather or Pacquioa defeat him they did it when he was less than his best at a lower weight. So a win over him doesn't enhance their legacies either. If he beats one of them he doesn't become #1 P4P because he went down instead of up in weight. Going down in weight is not how one enhances their P4P status. If so it would be the first time in the history of the sport.

This is why I believe Sergio should win a belt or two before fighting Floyd at 154, so there's some legitimacy for the bout even occurring. I wish Martinez saw it through our eyes, but he simply can't. He's the one who has to go through training camp, he's the one who has to make the commitment, not us. That's why I don't have problems with Floyd/Pac not wanting to fight him, or Sergio not wanting to go up to SMW. If he doesn't do that, then I at least want him to become Undisputed LMW and MW champion. But he's probably too old to do so. Getting all the titles, with all the political bull**** going on, would be very difficult to pull off. He would have to fight Geale/Pirog/Sturm/Chavez/Golovkin, which is a tall order for several reasons. This itself could take about 2-3 years. Then, he would have to go down to 154 and fight the winner of Floyd-Cotto/Canelo/K9/Trout. He would most likely beat K9 and Trout easily, and he would most likely beat Canelo too. This path could potentially lead him to a Floyd fight, where Floyd wouldn't be able to dispute his worth at 154 or 160. This is probably much harder than simply going up to 168, but I think this might be the road where he can possibly go without a loss (before he meets up with Floyd).

[indystress]

Quite easily. Just look at his frame. Compare it to the last few middleweight champions - Hopkins, Taylor, Pavlik. Sergio is small compared to those guys.

He only moved to middleweight because no one would fight him at 154 now everyone wants him to move up again?

no, actually, when you have a fight night weight of 170+, its obvious that a move to the middleweight/160lb makes sense...as for the move up that alot of people want to see, its more about testing himself (martinez) of how great he really is.

why would martinez earlier wanted to fight pac knowing that he (martinez) would be at 170+ lbs on fight night, while pac cant even make 150, giving martinez a 20+ weight advantage...but dont want to fight ward/bute/froch and be the one with the weight advantage, and i bet the weight difference wont be as big as a pac/martinez fight

martinez wants to fight the best two divisions below him but dont want to fight the best one division above him...to me, thats weak!!! more like MAN OF VIAGRA than maravela

also, its obvious that martinez has a hard time against a boxer that knows how to box...with that said, now im even more convinced that mayweather jr will out slick martinez, and im not even a floyd jr fan.

and the only reason i see martinez beating floyd jr is because of a lucky punch...out box floyd? i dont think so

[Dirk Diggler UK]

no, actually, when you have a fight night weight of 170+, its obvious that a move to the middleweight/160lb makes sense...as for the move up that alot of people want to see, its more about testing himself (martinez) of how great he really is.

why would martinez earlier wanted to fight pac knowing that he (martinez) would be at 170+ lbs on fight night, while pac cant even make 150, giving martinez a 20+ weight advantage...but dont want to fight ward/bute/froch and be the one with the weight advantage, and i bet the weight difference wont be as big as a pac/martinez fight

martinez wants to fight the best two divisions below him but dont want to fight the best one division above him...to me, thats weak!!! more like MAN OF VIAGRA than maravela

also, its obvious that martinez has a hard time against a boxer that knows how to box...with that said, now im even more convinced that mayweather jr will out slick martinez, and im not even a floyd jr fan.

and the only reason i see martinez beating floyd jr is because of a lucky punch...out box floyd? i dont think so

Pacquiao fought Margarito who had a similar weight advantage on fight night.
Floyd fought Oscar who had a significant weight advantage.

But Sergio isnt a past-prime, slow, flat footed Mexican so hes off limits for those two.

[AntonTheMeh]

lulz. dibella is looking like a fraud right now.

[chiguy91]

Pacquiao fought Margarito who had a similar weight advantage on fight night.
Floyd fought Oscar who had a significant weight advantage.

But Sergio isnt a past-prime, slow, flat footed Mexican so hes off limits for those two.

you're wasting your time on these fools, they'll just keep coming back like "if pac/may moved up, then martinez has to too", or "he has no fans, no HOFers on his resume, he doesn't deserve a shot". a MW is willing to come down 10 lbs to satisfy the only two p4p fighters that are ranked higher than him for a fight where both held titles before. if bute and ward would come down to 160, i'm sure those fights can become a real possibility. until then, it isn't happening. and dibella is an idiot for saying stuff like this, but then again, he's a promoter, they usually say idiotic things.
but haha, lots of females on here concerned about their gods being in competitive fights. i'm not even sure if shantel jackson or jinkee pacquiao worry this much,