Haye could probably beat Vitali right now

[D4thincarnation]

Really? he landed pretty hard against the heavyweights I've seen him against.
Minus Wlad, who didn't allow him to land anything.

How long have you been watching heavyweight boxing? This is the division where anybody can knock anybody out.

and chins dont last.

So how did Wlad's face get marked up?

Or why was Wlad holding on mor than he usually does in th 12th round.

[Superflo777]

Did you just compare Gaye to Sam Peter?

My mistake, Peter actually came to fight and floored Wlad a couple of times.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

My mistake, Peter actually came to fight and floored Wlad a couple of times.

Im sure you have some kind of point....?

[D4thincarnation]

What did Haye actually deliver?

The fight! Vitali has not.

Why talk about what you are going to do when you have no intention of following through with that talk.

Whether it is in boxing or life, I can't stand people who just talk the big talk but can't back it up.

If Vitali didn't want to fight Haye so be it, call him a bum and not worth my time, but to talk up a fight say you going to KO him and everything else then not follow it with the actual fight is bad form.

[D4thincarnation]

Clinching/tying a guy up are not against 'the' rules. Tying a guy up & putting your weight on them is a very effective method that has been used for decades.

It's not like David Haye has ever been a decent inside fighter anyway, besides from what I recall it was mostly him doing the clinching & holding.

Learn the rules of boxing.

Watch UFC or WWF if you like to watch wrestling.

[Superflo777]

The fight! Vitali has not.

Why talk about what you are going to do when you have no intention of following through with that talk.

Whether it is in boxing or life, I can't stand people who just talk the big talk but can't back it up.

If Vitali didn't want to fight Haye so be it, call him a bum and not worth my time, but to talk up a fight say you going to KO him and everything else then not follow it with the actual fight is bad form.

Claiming that Haye did deliver what he promised.
Yeah, we did see much of "I will shake up the heavyweight division" and "I will make the robot malfunction" that night, and tell me again who pulled out of the 2009 Vitali-Haye fight?

[Jam Jars]

Clinching/tying a guy up are not against 'the' rules. Tying a guy up & putting your weight on them is a very effective method that has been used for decades.

It's not like David Haye has ever been a decent inside fighter anyway, besides from what I recall it was mostly him doing the clinching & holding.

Clinching and holding is against the rules and always has been. Using it when hurt i don't mind but using it as a tactic to stop the offence of a opponent is BS. When a fighter has a reach advantage the other fighter has to get past that and when he does he gets hugged by yogi bear how the hell is that fair?

Haye did most of the holding? what fight were you watching?

[D4thincarnation]

Claiming that Haye did deliver what he promised.
Yeah, we did see much of "I will shake up the heavyweight division" and "I will make the robot malfunction" that night, and tell me again who pulled out of the 2009 Vitali-Haye fight?

He tried, he was hampered by his toe which caused him to stop sparring which affected his timing in the fight.

He went in the fight looking to land the big right hand, probably the wrong tactics in hindsight but if he pulls it off he gets all the accolades.

He was not helped by the Wlad friendly ref allowing him to hold at every opportunity.

Where's Joe Copper when you need him?

[Russian Crushin]

The fight! Vitali has not.

Why talk about what you are going to do when you have no intention of following through with that talk.

Whether it is in boxing or life, I can't stand people who just talk the big talk but can't back it up.

If Vitali didn't want to fight Haye so be it, call him a bum and not worth my time, but to talk up a fight say you going to KO him and everything else then not follow it with the actual fight is bad form.

Ironic coming from a David "save the HW division" Haye fan

[Superflo777]

He tried, he was hampered by his toe which caused him to stop sparring which affected his timing in the fight.

He went in the fight looking to land the big right hand, probably the wrong tactics in hindsight but if he pulls it off he gets all the accolades.

He was not helped by the Wlad friendly ref allowing him to hold at every opportunity.

Where's Joe Copper when you need him?

So I guess the point deduction to Wlad in round 7 was also a tactic to help Klitschko.
Yeah, believe what you wanna believe, I don't think Haye has the guts to come back and doesn't deserve a title shot but if it happens I'll be there for sure.