Haye could probably beat Vitali right now

[Russian Crushin]

Really? he landed pretty hard against the heavyweights I've seen him against.

And it's something wlad didn't allow him to do.

How long have you been watching heavyweight boxing? This is the division where anybody can knock anybody out.

All he's faced are washed up old HWs

A few good shots against Ruiz and a an immobile Audley? Oh wait maybe the slowest HW ever in Valuev which came in the last 20 secs.

And he didnt allow Vlad to do what, KO him? Well wupty do, he ran and flopped around for 12 rounds to avoid a KO, respect to Haye, amazing accomplishment

[Paclan]

All he's faced are washed up old HWs

A few good shots against Ruiz and a an immobile Audley? Oh wait maybe the slowest HW ever in Valuev which came in the last 20 secs.

And he didnt allow Vlad to do what, KO him? Well wupty do, he ran and flopped around for 12 rounds to avoid a KO, respect to Haye, amazing accomplishment

if you don't think haye has power i don't know what to say, maybe you need to watch him fight again.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He clearly rocked Wlad in the 12th and another round with a single shot. Don't get it twisted, Gaye has power.

[Russian Crushin]

if you don't think haye has power i don't know what to say, maybe you need to watch him fight again.

Haye's power is vastly overrated. He's only been half successful using it on washed up HWs

But he does have good power, whether he actually uses it is a whole other topic

Haye could have had Tyson power against Vlad but you cant land anything running around and flopping on the floor

[dan_cov]

He had a reach disadvantage and everytime he got close Wlad held. What do you want him to do stand infront of Wlad until he falls over? Anyone with a big size/reach disadvantage is not going to beat Wlad because if they get anywhere near him he holds and puts his weight on them. BS tactics that are against the rules but have become acceptable in most peoples eyes.

Clinching/tying a guy up are not against 'the' rules. Tying a guy up & putting your weight on them is a very effective method that has been used for decades.

It's not like David Haye has ever been a decent inside fighter anyway, besides from what I recall it was mostly him doing the clinching & holding.

[D4thincarnation]

Lets not forget all the talk Haye did, the lies & the pulling out of fights with the brothers before finally getting in the ring with Wlad.
He spent 3+ years doing it.

The first went down, i believe was down to the collaspe of Setanta meaning Haye would have been fighting for nothing.

Haye claimed a back injury which I have my doubts about but fighting for nothing was reason enough to pull out.

Haye never pulled out of any other fight apart from that one, he was getting done over in the negotiations and took on the WBA champ Valuev for more clout at the bargaining table.

Haye took on Wlad which was a fight on all of Wlad terms, ring size venue, ref, who would com in first, Wlad had too have it all.

Haye even suffer busted/broken toe in training camp and didn't pull out of the fight, which he had every right too, because he wanted the fight so much and knew Wlad might run away for good this time.

Haye actually delivered and made all the sacrifices to fight Wlad, Vitali (Boente) after all the talk seems to be doing all he can to avoid the fight.

[Superflo777]

He clearly rocked Wlad in the 12th and another round with a single shot. Don't get it twisted, Gaye has power.

Power like Sam Peter?
Would've, could've, he lost - fair and square. He doesn't deserve a title fight for talking shit and showing his toe.

[frosty-g]

"Haye could probably beat Vitali right now"

why? is vitali right now having an afternoon nap whilst haye is tooled up?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Power like Sam Peter?
Would've, could've, he lost - fair and square. He doesn't deserve a title fight for talking shit and showing his toe.

Did you just compare Gaye to Sam Peter?

[Russian Crushin]

The first went down, i believe was down to the collaspe of Setanta meaning Haye would have been fighting for nothing.

Haye claimed a back injury which I have my doubts about but fighting for nothing was reason enough to pull out.

Haye never pulled out of any other fight apart from that one, he was getting done over in the negotiations and took on the WBA champ Valuev for more clout at the bargaining table.

Haye took on Wlad which was a fight on all of Wlad terms, ring size venue, ref, who would com in first, Wlad had too have it all.

Haye even suffer busted/broken toe in training camp and didn't pull out of the fight, which he had every right too, because he wanted the fight so much and knew Wlad might run away for good this time.

Haye actually delivered and made all the sacrifices to fight Wlad, Vitali (Boente) after all the talk seems to be doing all he can to avoid the fight.

What did Haye actually deliver?