Any fighter from past to present, started at 106 could duplicate Pac accomplishments?

[IronDanHamza]

Jimmy Mclarnin covered a similar amount of weight but beat better fighters.

[IronDanHamza]

Freddie Steele as a teenager started at 106 and moved up and became a champion at MW. Arguably at top 10 ATG MW. One of the most underrated MW's of all time.

Jimmy McLarnin, who is a lot similar to Pacquioa size. Started as a teenager as well. Beat the first great Filipino fighter Pancho villa near Flyweight moved all the way up to WW. Beating B.Leonard, Young Corbet III, Tony Canzoneri Barney Ross>>>Cotto, JMM, Hatton, Oscar

George Carpantier fought in damn near every division.

And, Sam Langford went from LW to HW like Jabs mentioned.

Also something that should really be taking into account. Is that during this times they had same day weigh-in. Pacquaio pre 2009 benefited a lot from Day before weigh-ins. He re-hydrated a good amount of weight at 130 and below. This guys didn't have that luxury.

Beat me to it

Good call on Freddie Steele.

As for Langford.. He beat Gans 4-5 Lbs above the Lightweight Limit to then go on to beat a Top 15 ATG HW Harry Willis.

But wait.... I was told yesterday in the great NSB "Why am I putting Langford in the same sentance as Robinson? He got 'bounced' around by Jack Johnson"

[Roman Moreno]

Beat me to it

Good call on Freddie Steele.

As for Langford.. He beat Gans 4-5 Lbs above the Lightweight Limit to then go on to beat a Top 15 ATG HW Harry Willis.

But wait.... I was told yesterday in the great NSB "Why am I putting Langford in the same sentance as Robinson? He got 'bounced' around by Jack Johnson"

Link Por favor?

[IronDanHamza]

Link Por favor?

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=539383&page=8

I imagine you'll get some laughs and sighs

[Young Money]

Good call.

"With his first professional bout at age 14, he was welterweight champion of France and of Europe in 1911, middleweight champion of Europe in 1912, and light heavyweight champion of Europe in 1913. On June 1, 1913, he beat "Bombardier" Billy Wells in Ghent, Belgium to become heavyweight champion of Europe." (From Wiki)

He went from European Welterweight champion in 1911, to European Heavyweight Champion in 1913

God imagine if PEDs existed back then, he'd never hear the end of it.

I remember reading that he started as a flyweight but I could be wrong

[Jam Jars]

This unique situation some haters failed to understand. They thought Pac beating Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Mosley and Margarito wasn't special but then Pac was indeed started at 106 beating this caliber fighters at 140-150 is almost unbelievable just because nobody did it before.

Unbelievable? Bob Fitzsimmons was 150lb when he won the Middleweight title and was Heavyweight Champion weighing between 160-170 fighting guys well over 200lb including 300lb and 260lb HW's.

[Roman Moreno]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...=539383&page=8

I imagine you'll get some laughs and sighs

It doesn't surprise me that it was that idiot who said it.

[JAB5239]

Freddie Steele as a teenager started at 106 and moved up and became a champion at MW. Arguably at top 10 ATG MW. One of the most underrated MW's of all time.

Jimmy McLarnin, who is a lot similar to Pacquioa size. Started as a teenager as well. Beat the first great Filipino fighter Pancho villa near Flyweight moved all the way up to WW. Beating B.Leonard, Young Corbet III, Tony Canzoneri Barney Ross>>>Cotto, JMM, Hatton, Oscar

George Carpantier fought in damn near every division.

And, Sam Langford went from LW to HW like Jabs mentioned.

Also something that should really be taking into account. Is that during this times they had same day weigh-in. Pacquaio pre 2009 benefited a lot from Day before weigh-ins. He re-hydrated a good amount of weight at 130 and below. This guys didn't have that luxury.

Great, informative post!!

[punchville]

if someone could, they should've done it already and be the record holder right now....if anyone can, were not going to see it in this lifetime..

champion in:
8 divisions out of the 17 weighclasses
4 divisions out of the original 8 divisions..

that's unbreakable right there imo....

[BennyST]

Lots of fighters could have done it, and some already have in every respect but the 'official' titles that Pac holds today.

Someone mentioned McLarnin already. He beat HOF legends at every weight from Flyweight to Welterweight. He has about the same amount of HOF champions beaten that Pac has normal crappy ABC paper titlists on his resume.

Now, take into account how long today's fighters have to rehydrate, and you have a lot of past fighters who could have done it. They moved up the same, or more, pounds over their career, beat as many champions, and/or better fighters but there weren't the same amount of titles (and no matter what anyone says winning a lineal title today is still not worth very much because the whole division is still diluted to nearly nothing because of all the other titles. Unless you are the true Undisputed champion with all belts, it's not the same as what lineal meant 40 or 50 years ago) and they didn't have pre fight-day weight ins, thus started out higher than fighters today do obviously.

There also wasn't as many weight divisions. Armstrong alone won three lineal titles in the original divisions. Today, with the weigh ins, he could have won Jr FW title or even BW title, plus add in his FW, LW and WW, plus those in between Jr LW and Jr WW plus a crappy paper title in Jr MW....you have 8, easily. Then, when you take into account the staggering reduction in numbers of pro fighters from then to now, and thus the natural drop in talent and depth across the board.....There are many, many reasons. Nonetheless, it is amazing what he's doing but not exactly staggering. Do people really think that all these fighters suddenly starting to win all these titles across all these divisions is just coincidence? Oscar winning 6, Floyd 6, Pac 8, while even young champions are winning 3 divisional titles very quickly today. It's no coincidence that it's occurring with such regularity.

Armstrong started out as a super bantamweight, and made FW for years after. Pac was weighing in as a natural welterweight for many years all the way down at 126, 130 etc. So, if you go by that standard, Armstrong was a natural FW at that time as he was fighting at the weight he weighed in at, ie 125/6 etc and thus making 122, 118 would have been quite simple for him today.

Same as Duran. Despite what most think, he didn't start at 135. He started out fighting at bantamweight, and ended up winning the middleweight title. Pre day weigh ins, better hydration techniques, more easy to get paper titles, and he could have won 8 or 9 too.

It has been done, but no one has done it with the 'official' accomplishments of Pac, what with today's titles to be given away and with todays weight benefits.