Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez Jabs Pacquiao, Eyes Mayweather Jr. Bout

[William Blake]

Who has Martinez beat again? Split with Paul Williams...beat drunken Kelly Pavlik...Sergi Whatever...some Brit who couldn't move his head.....and who else again?

[radioraheem]

notsureifserious, STL Buay. You really don't think Manny is controlled by Arum?

Also, Martinez is naturally a 154 pounder..who fought at 147. It's not like he fought at 147 in his teens, either..it was in his mid to late 20s. It also doesn't change the fact that Pac ONLY moved up to Martinez's weight (154) after Martinez no longer held the title. Me, as a Pac fan, even I can't justify that one. Pac HAS fought at Martinez's weight class, for what was really Martinez's belt, don't use the "too small" excuse. Martinez is a 154 pounder already fighting out of his weight class. Martinez basically doesn't even have to cut at 160, and is undersized. At about 160..the size differences start becoming much more obvious than at 147 (imo). Not only that, Martinez said he's open to a 165 (I believe that was the number) catchweight bout with Ward...who happens to be big, even at 168. If there's one thing you can't criticize Martinez on (imo, of course) is his willingness to fight the very best. Martinez has earned his spot, has dealt with the bull throughout his career, and pushed through it and is the top guy in a weight class that isn't even his own because nobody of any significance wants to fight the very best these days. Martinez should fight Pirog? What, he should just fight every unknown and unproven guy who wants to fight him? In a different country? In the words of Lou Dibella "**** that". Dude can't even get a decision in America, imagine Russia.


Also, I don't think he's hating on Cotto at all, he's given his props to Cotto before and even had him beating Margo (even though he wanted Margo to win so they could fight).

Martinez has to be the nicest dude people have ever hated on. God forbid the number 3 p4p challenges anyone. He's got to be the best fighter who gets hated on for challenging people of recent memory. What's the world come to these days? Maybe if he was ugly.. >__>...he'd get some love.

You are absolutely crazy if you believe 154 is Sergio Martinez's natural weight class. That is pure madness. Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz, Andre Berto, etc, don't even walk around naturally at 154. And they are all smaller than Martinez! Martinez has been caught 30 days prior to fight night weighing as much as 176! He may naturally walk around over 180 lbs for all we know.

I dislike Pacquaio, and even I have to say that he is too small for Martinez! And the same goes for Mayweather. They both are too small for Martinez! Even if both fighters agreed to fight Martinez at 154, no catchweight. Martinez will rehydrate to something between 170-175, if not even more! So both these fighters are supposed to fight a guy who will have a 25 lbs weight advantage? Remember that both Pacquaio and Mayweather rarely go into any fight weighing above 150 lbs.

Martinez is too goddamn big for true Welterweights.

[check hook]

yeah it's because i was in puerto rico and that's too far away to post..........and what are you talking about. the actual substance of why the fight didn't happen is because floyd made unreasonable demands. the stadium and cut are irrelevant. i made fun of arum for saying such ****** things but they didn't stop the fight from happening. floyd did. it's obvious floyd never wanted the fight as he's changed his demands over and over again. why are you a fan of such a doofus who refuses to fight the best? he wants more money than pac even though pac is at least as big of a draw and floyd didn't even sell out his last fight. he won't fight martinez at 154 but he will fight cotto? what kind of great fighter is this?

who's Floyd fighing on May 5th? You do know Bob had Henry Bruseles fight Mayweather as a test run in the 140 pound division right?? What am i talking about??? I agree totally that Floyd's demands regarding money are completely unreasonable at this time. I TOTALLY AGREE!!! But what happened in the 2 weeks before he made that demand when team MP showed absolutely zero desire for the fight????? You were conveniently absent to talk about that weren't you???

As for the last part, he is fighting Cotto at 154, and Pac wouldn't even rematch him at 150 even though he sparked him out handily the first time. What kind of great fighter is that??? As for the Martinez point i totally agree, if he's fighting Oscar and Cotto at 54, then if he wants Sergio it should be at 154.

[check hook]

Who has Martinez beat again? Split with Paul Williams...beat drunken Kelly Pavlik...Sergi Whatever...some Brit who couldn't move his head.....and who else again?

Martinez is a good fighter, but he needs to give this up. He's campaigning at 160, and neither of these guys (MP and FMJ) should be expected to fight him at 154, and it would be criminal to ask him to come down to 150. He should focus on getting a fight with Chavez Jr.

[daggum]

who's Floyd fighing on May 5th? You do know Bob had Henry Bruseles fight Mayweather as a test run in the 140 pound division right?? What am i talking about??? I agree totally that Floyd's demands regarding money are completely unreasonable at this time. I TOTALLY AGREE!!! But what happened in the 2 weeks before he made that demand when team MP showed absolutely zero desire for the fight????? You were conveniently absent to talk about that weren't you???

As for the last part, he is fighting Cotto at 154, and Pac wouldn't even rematch him at 150 even though he sparked him out handily the first time. What kind of great fighter is that??? As for the Martinez point i totally agree, if he's fighting Oscar and Cotto at 54, then if he wants Sergio it should be at 154.

you do know that floyd demanded 10 million to fight 140 pound cotto when he only received 10 million to fight hoya right?? bruseles was a bum. you have to have a story when you fight a bum. hbo went with the hey this guy sucks but he's from puerto rico so let's see how he does so we can hype a floyd/cotto fight. i think someone even said he was considered better than cotto even though he lost multiple times already against nobodies. do you believe that as well?

where was i? january was a slow month. sorry for not checking in with you. i did say the stadium was a ******ed idea. arum looked like he didn't want to make the fight but then he talked to manny and manny told him to make it but floyd ducked again.

nobody wanted pac to fight cotto again at 147, 150, or 154 because cotto is nearly finished and we already saw that fight. are you actually complaining that we aren't seeing a ****** fight? bradley-pac is a lot better and floyd-cotto is just too late to matter. it's like pac-mosley. no one should care. fight martinez at 154 or pac at 147 otherwise stay fake retired.

[NearHypnos]

Remember, Radio. Martinez's physique was different at 154. He's put on a significant amount of weight since moving up to 160 and last time I heard, he claimed he was walking around the upper 150s. In his last fight, he rehydrated to 165. Huge is JCC Jr, P.Will, Kelly Pavlik, Ortiz, Donaire, Rios, etc. Shane went from LW to welter, skipping a class. Shane could probably get to 140 if he wanted (well...not sure about anymore) but the money is in 147...or anyone who will fight him now apparently. Victor Ortiz, a welter rehydrated to 165 in his last fight...the size of Martinez. I do agree that Pac might be too small for Martinez, but it's out of principle. Don't go into a guy's weight class but not fight him cuz you're too small. I don't pay much attention to Berto since his fights are rarely against good opposition, so I never remember him..


There's this stigma that because he's at middleweight, people think he's huge. I believe both Barker and Dzinziruk were both bigger at fight night as well (I could be wrong). At 154, even Cintron seemed the same size as Martinez (maybe even a bit bigger). Martinez is about an average sized 154 when he's at that weight, and I dont think you can deny he's pretty small at 160. I don't think he's too big for Floyd. Remember, Floyd will have to get a bit bigger himself to get to 154, and will probably give up a very little amount of weight, if any. Pac WOULD give up about 15 pounds. Pac just gets crap because he's apparently big enough for certain people, but not for others.


IMO, I think Floyd vs Martinez is a better fight to challenge Floyd. No disrespect towards Pac, but Martinez seems to have the right attributes mixed in to give Floyd trouble imo while Pac just plays into Floyd's strengths.


Also, to the person who mentioned his resume. What do you expect him to do? He beat all the guys he wasn't supposed to beat. We all know he really beat Cintron, and Cintron kind of still mattered then..a bit.. He beat P.Will who beat a plastered up Margo, which counts more than what Pac did (troll face) and Pavlik has at least beat a few names of his own and wasn't exactly a scrub, regardless of him being beat by Bernard. No shame in losing to Bernard... It's also up to debate if he even SPLIT with P.Will at all, don't act like you forgot about that judge. Dzinziruk was a good fight for him as well imo. Barker was pretty bad, but if he fights Pirog and beats him people like you will just say. "He beat who? Porig, Pireg..whatever? Who's that? Who'd that guy ever beat?". It looks like Martinez is the new Floyd, just can't do anything right.

As a side note, I don't think Martinez is the best fighter in the world by any means, but I feel he's earned the right to try to prove it and is in a position to attempt to do so if opposing fighters actually fight him. I'd like a Ward-Martinez fight, but I'd like to see Ward expose Bute and become the top dog in his division first.

[overcomer0620]

Yes that's right, manny is a puppet even in the philippines he is just a puppet of many politician in his back,he only does what they say, just like a dog....

[NearHypnos]

I think calling Pac a dog is a little harsh. I mean the guy's character has been called into question as of late, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I watch him because he's a boxer, I don't care about his personal life so much. Same for Floyd. They're not my idols or icons..so no personal hate towards them

[Sangre Azteca]

He needs to forget about Mayweather, Floyd would never fight him, he won't even fight PAC imagine Martinez that is bigger, Martinez needs to go down to 154 and fight Lara, Kirkland, canelo.

[radioraheem]

Remember, Radio. Martinez's physique was different at 154. He's put on a significant amount of weight since moving up to 160 and last time I heard, he claimed he was walking around the upper 150s. In his last fight, he rehydrated to 165. Huge is JCC Jr, P.Will, Kelly Pavlik, Ortiz, Donaire, Rios, etc. Shane went from LW to welter, skipping a class. Shane could probably get to 140 if he wanted (well...not sure about anymore) but the money is in 147...or anyone who will fight him now apparently. Victor Ortiz, a welter rehydrated to 165 in his last fight...the size of Martinez. I do agree that Pac might be too small for Martinez, but it's out of principle. Don't go into a guy's weight class but not fight him cuz you're too small. I don't pay much attention to Berto since his fights are rarely against good opposition, so I never remember him..


There's this stigma that because he's at middleweight, people think he's huge. I believe both Barker and Dzinziruk were both bigger at fight night as well (I could be wrong). At 154, even Cintron seemed the same size as Martinez (maybe even a bit bigger). Martinez is about an average sized 154 when he's at that weight, and I dont think you can deny he's pretty small at 160. I don't think he's too big for Floyd. Remember, Floyd will have to get a bit bigger himself to get to 154, and will probably give up a very little amount of weight, if any. Pac WOULD give up about 15 pounds. Pac just gets crap because he's apparently big enough for certain people, but not for others.


IMO, I think Floyd vs Martinez is a better fight to challenge Floyd. No disrespect towards Pac, but Martinez seems to have the right attributes mixed in to give Floyd trouble imo while Pac just plays into Floyd's strengths.

I think it's nonsense that he walks around 154. It is well documented several times that he was weighed, 30 days outside a fight, from 170 to 176 lbs. If he naturally walked around at 154 or anywhere close, that is what he would typically weigh 30-days outside a fight. Instead he was way bigger and ALWAYS has to shed weight rather than gain. Because he is naturally not a Welterweight and not a Jr. Middleweight either.

He is too big for Floyd. Keep in mind that Floyd rarely weighs above 150. Even at Jr. Middleweight, he's been found coming in LOWER than 154 on fight night. When it comes to weight, Pacquaio and Floyd are pretty even. So if you think Martinez is too big for Pacquiao, then he is certainly too big for Floyd. Floyd is only marginally bigger than Pacquiao, we are talking just a few pounds. I don't see how either of them could even fight Martinez at 154. Just not fair.