Cotto vs Mayweather=Gatti vs Mayweather?

[IronDanHamza]

I'd love to know who you would rank ahead of Mosley in 07 on Floyds resume. Castillo wasn't. Outside of the Johnston fights, Castillo was not a great fighter. His resume was over blown and his p4p ranking was based completely on accomplishments that he never achieved. Hernadez was a good win but over Shane and Shanes domination over Vargas, come on. The only leg you can stand on is Corrales. Floyds resume is good but it isn't much better than Miguels.

A prime Castillo, one of the premier Lightweight's of the last era is better than a win over Shane Mosley in 2007.

[Boxer1590]

Yea because Cotto & Gatti are clearly on the same level as fighters...

Their fights with Gianluca Branco & Alfonso Gomez clearly serve as legitimate evidence towards the claim.....

Cotto > Gatti

It is preposterous anyone could think otherwise.

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A prime Castillo, one of the premier Lightweight's of the last era is better than a win over Shane Mosley in 2007.

I disagree completely. Have you ever truly looked at Castillos resume? The dude didn't deserve the ranking he ever got. Outside of a few fights with Johnston he really didn't do much. Shane in 07 had 2 wins over Vargas, 2 fights with Wink, 2 with ODLH, and the Forrest fights. I'll take the guy with the names on his record than some dude fighting 80% against random Mexicans.

[IronDanHamza]

I disagree completely. Have you ever truly looked at Castillos resume? The dude didn't deserve the ranking he ever got. Outside of a few fights with Johnston he really didn't do much. Shane in 07 had 2 wins over Vargas, 2 fights with Wink, 2 with ODLH, and the Forrest fights. I'll take the guy with the names on his record than some dude fighting 80% against random Mexicans.

I haven't looked at this resume, I watched his resume unfold.

You obviously haven't looked closely enough to his Lightweight run.

He beat Johnson when he was ranked #1, he beat Lazcano when he was ranked #1, he beat Casamayor when he was ranked #2 and went on to become the Lineal Champion after that, he beat Corrales when he was ranked #1.

He beat various fighters ranked in the Top 5 of the Lightweight Division.

And of course, arguably beat Floyd Mayweather the first time.

If you are one of the people who consider Castillo to have beaten Mayweather, then he is flat out greater than Shane Mosley.

His Lightweight run was exceptional, and in result makes him one of the premier Lightweight's of the last era.

Saying he 'Only fought Johnson' is just plain ******, frankly.

Your examples for Mosley speak for themselves.

Vargas? Done.

Lost clearly to Winky Wright both times.

Lost clearly to Forrest both times.

Should have lost the second Oscar fight.

But Castillo only fought random Mexicans, right? Get a clue.

Like I said, beating a Prime Castillo is better than beating Shane Mosley in 2007.

Beating a prime Castillo much more decisively, mind you.

[deliveryman]

I think Cotto is on par with Gatti but I don't see Mayweather putting on that kind of performance at 154.

I think Mayweather will look good in this fight and think that people will say that Cotto should retire just because of how Mayweather makes him look.

But hey, if Mayweather struggles the slightest like Pac did early on, I will give Cotto his credit. I just don't see it.

Sorry. Gatti is not on par with Cotto.

Gatti would of lost to:

Mosley
Pacquiao
Margarito
Clottey
Judah
Mayorga
Foreman
Quintana
Torres
Gomez (actually did)

And probably would of had extremely tough life and death battles with:

Malignaggi
Urkal
Corley
Sosa


Give me a break man.

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I haven't looked at this resume, I watched his resume unfold.

You obviously haven't looked closely enough to his Lightweight run.

He beat Johnson when he was ranked #1, he beat Lazcano when he was ranked #1, he beat Casamayor when he was ranked #2 and went on to become the Lineal Champion after that, he beat Corrales when he was ranked #1.

He beat various fighters ranked in the Top 5 of the Lightweight Division.

And of course, arguably beat Floyd Mayweather the first time.

If you are one of the people who consider Castillo to have beaten Mayweather, then he is flat out greater than Shane Mosley.

His Lightweight run was exceptional, and in result makes him one of the premier Lightweight's of the last era.

Saying he 'Only fought Johnson' is just plain ******, frankly.

Your examples for Mosley speak for themselves.

Vargas? Done.

Lost clearly to Winky Wright both times.

Lost clearly to Forrest both times.

Should have lost the second Oscar fight.

But Castillo only fought random Mexicans, right? Get a clue.

Like I said, beating a Prime Castillo is better than beating Shane Mosley in 2007.

Beating a prime Castillo much more decisively, mind you.

Almost all those accomplishments came after the Mayweather fights. My point was when Mayweather fought Castillo, it wasn't greater than when Cotto fought Shane.

[IronDanHamza]

Almost all those accomplishments came after the Mayweather fights. My point was when Mayweather fought Castillo, it wasn't greater than when Cotto fought Shane.

So what?

What Castillo did after the Mayweather fights showed how good he was and was rightfully ranked where he was.

The fact he beat Castillo before he accomplished the right to be called one of the best Lightweight's of the last era, in his prime, shows how good that win is.

[deliveryman]

I disagree completely. Have you ever truly looked at Castillos resume? The dude didn't deserve the ranking he ever got. Outside of a few fights with Johnston he really didn't do much. Shane in 07 had 2 wins over Vargas, 2 fights with Wink, 2 with ODLH, and the Forrest fights. I'll take the guy with the names on his record than some dude fighting 80% against random Mexicans.

Holy shit the ignorance is bewildering.

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Holy shit the ignorance is bewildering.

You don't even know what I am talking about. At the time when Mayweather fought Castillo, Castillo was over hyped and his p4p ranking was not deserving. What he went on to do afterwards has no bearing of where he was ranked in 2001. In comparison Shane Mosley in 2007, was a better win.

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So what?

What Castillo did after the Mayweather fights showed how good he was and was rightfully ranked where he was.

The fact he beat Castillo before he accomplished the right to be called one of the best Lightweight's of the last era, in his prime, shows how good that win is.

So what? Well it's good for your side of the debate because Castillo did well towards the end of his career. You get to give credit to Floyd for something he didn't do. What happens when a fighter suffers towards the end of his career though, like Shane. So if Alvarez gets him in May, he gets discredited because Shane is old and past it and all previous things are poo poo'd. It's a double standard and I'll never go on to give credit to fighters after they matchup with that opponent.