Catchweight Biases Against Pacquiao

[Bushbaby]

Like 3 years ago. Not the long...Don't even know if they still do it or not. But, it wasn't that long ago. And, I don't think the state of Pennsylvania was doing to accommodate Pacquiao but I might be wrong and they probably were. Since everything revolves around Pacquio to some people

Doesn't matter, why bring up Penn anyway? 1 state so what? When you brought up same day weight ins, wasn't it in a debate concerning Pacman? Yeah that's what I thought.

[jrosales13]

Doesn't matter, why bring up Penn anyway? 1 state so what? When you brought up same day weight ins, wasn't it in a debate concerning Pacman? Yeah that's what I thought.

Well I like the idea of same day weigh-ins. It was insinuated that the idea was ludicrous and had no merit. I brought up Pennsylvania state rules because it gives credence to what I happened to say. And, you thought wrong. It was a debate concerning catch-weights not Pacquiao. Maybe that's why you missed my point cuz' you're so infatuated with Pac. That you really didn't think with what I was saying.

Just say you don't like the idea or ask me why I think it's a good idea and move on with it. Instead of assuming it has to do with Pac.

[Point Maid]

Some things I learned from this thread:

Catchweights are happening left and right currently in boxing. It does not matter what their nationality is, a lot do it. Pacquiao is the most famous of them all because of his stature in the sport.

Fans don't have a credible criteria when dignifying catchweight fights. It's all subjective. Most ridiculous comment: "Henry Armstrong did it to make things even, Pacquiao did it to gain an advantage." OOOOOOKKKKKKKKKK!

Andre Ward and Martinez to fight at 164 is fine as both fighters do not lose/gain anything significant. But a Cotto-Pacquiao 145 catchweight was deplorable (Cotto weighed at 146 in a previous fight).

Floyd's fans are mum on his catchweight fans.

It's fine to fight at whatever catchweight just do not use it in a title fight--specially if your name is Pacquiao.

Some things people ought to consider before putting an opinion on Pacquiao:
1. He chased bigger money to improve his life and his family's. Only way to do it was to chase the bigger names in higher weight classes.

2. When he was popular enough they called him out to climb their weight classes and allowed themselves to be ****** in to a catchweight clause because they were chasing Pacquiao's money.

3. Pacquiao was the champ at 135 when Oscar called him out who himself had won a title as high as 160. Pacquiao, before getting his belt and only fight at 135 lbs against a very weak champ in David Diaz, he was a regular fighter in the super featherweight division of 130 lbs. In essense, a middleweight Oscar called out a very popular super featherweight to fight at welterweight. I think that was the reason Philippine Congress had to scramble and deliberate whether to allow Pacquiao to fight Oscar at welterweight as they would not like to see their pride and honor die in the ring. Well, we all know how Oscar looked after the fight.

4. (Out of Topic) Mayweathers logic: Pacquiao fights at catchweights draining opponents. Pacquiao kills them giants because his ass is full of steroids. He is a one-trick pony, one dimensional fighter. And yet, Floyd won't fight him at 147, no catchweight! Even when Pacquiao agrees to Floyd's unheard of demands for OSDT! Uncle Roger fully believes his nephew will whoop that one trick pony's ass even is the pony is on steroids!

I know a bird when I see one just not sure if it's a chicken or a duck.

[Bermuda]

My problem is, Manny had no problem making 147 for Oscar, but he asked for 145 for Cotto.I would rather people either let the champ come in at the limit, or don't call out the champ..

this is true..but 147 was the weight class that oscar set and pac only came in at 142 lbs. oscar originally wanted to fight cotto at 147, but cotto lost against margarito. so he chose pac who was just a lightweight at the time. with the cotto fight pac had already become a superstar boxer after defeating oscar and knocking out hatton in the 2nd round..so pac had more negotiating power with cotto.

[Bushbaby]

Well I like the idea of same day weigh-ins. It was insinuated that the idea was ludicrous and had no merit. I brought up Pennsylvania state rules because it gives credence to what I happened to say. And, you thought wrong. It was a debate concerning catch-weights not Pacquiao. Maybe that's why you missed my point cuz' you're so infatuated with Pac. That you really didn't think with what I was saying.

Just say you don't like the idea or ask me why I think it's a good idea and move on with it. Instead of assuming it has to do with Pac.

Ahhhhhhh, I see. I fugured in a tread with Pacman, catchweight and bias', we were talking Pacman. However if you were speaking in general, about same day weight-ins in a tread bout Pacman, my bad. I retracked our entire discussion, peace out bro.

[MJ223]

TS how else was Armstrong supposed to compete??? You do know he won a WW title when he was at FW.... You also know that the weight stipulations were completely opposite right??? Pac says to his opponent u can't weight over this.... Armstrong had stipulations where he couldn't come under a certain weight since he couldn't make some of the limits he fought at..... BIG diff

Come on Rook.... Keep up

[Point Maid]

TS how else was Armstrong supposed to compete??? You do know he won a WW title when he was at FW.... You also know that the weight stipulations were completely opposite right??? Pac says to his opponent u can't weight over this.... Armstrong had stipulations where he couldn't come under a certain weight since he couldn't make some of the limits he fought at..... BIG diff

Come on Rook.... Keep up

Armstrong was a Lightweight fighter when he won the Featherweight. Oct 29, 1937 he won that FW title.He drained himself out to get that belt. He had to give up that belt to concentrate on Light and Welterweight fights. 6 months later on May 5, 1938 he won the Welterweight title weighing what he usually does ie, just a shade under the Lightweight limit. 9 months later from the FW title on Aug 17, 1938 he won the Lightweight title. In about 2 years after winning FW title, he challenged for the Middleweight title and got a draw against Garcia who by today's standards was fighting as a Jr. Middleweight.


Pacquiao was a Jr. Featherweight fighter until he destroyed Barrera for the FW title. After 2 fights he spent a few years as a Superfeatherweight champion. Until he challenged the weakest LW champ in David Diaz. After that one fight at LW, he accepted Oscar's (160 lb former champ but 154 lb career fighter) demand to fight at WW. After reconfiguring Dela Hoya's beautiful face, he KTFO Hatton at Jr WW. Then made everybody happy by pulverizing the firepower in Cotto at WW cw of 145 lbs. (Cotto previously weighed at 146!). Along the way as a WW caught a trinket at Jr MW cw of 150lbs by smashing the skull of Margarito who weighed 165 lbs at fight night putting him essentially a Supermiddleweight fighter.

What or where is the Big DIFF? Aren't they equally impressive? Stop being a hater.

[Point Maid]

I think the big diff was Armstrong was fighting way under his walking weight whereas Pac was fighting very close to his walking weight.

[MJ223]

Armstrong was a Lightweight fighter when he won the Featherweight. Oct 29, 1937 he won that FW title.He drained himself out to get that belt. He had to give up that belt to concentrate on Light and Welterweight fights. 6 months later on May 5, 1938 he won the Welterweight title weighing what he usually does ie, just a shade under the Lightweight limit. 9 months later from the FW title on Aug 17, 1938 he won the Lightweight title. In about 2 years after winning FW title, he challenged for the Middleweight title and got a draw against Garcia who by today's standards was fighting as a Jr. Middleweight.


Pacquiao was a Jr. Featherweight fighter until he destroyed Barrera for the FW title. After 2 fights he spent a few years as a Superfeatherweight champion. Until he challenged the weakest LW champ in David Diaz. After that one fight at LW, he accepted Oscar's (160 lb former champ but 154 lb career fighter) demand to fight at WW. After reconfiguring Dela Hoya's beautiful face, he KTFO Hatton at Jr WW. Then made everybody happy by pulverizing the firepower in Cotto at WW cw of 145 lbs. (Cotto previously weighed at 146!). Along the way as a WW caught a trinket at Jr MW cw of 150lbs by smashing the skull of Margarito who weighed 165 lbs at fight night putting him essentially a Supermiddleweight fighter.

What or where is the Big DIFF? Aren't they equally impressive? Stop being a hater.

How many CW fights did Armstrong compete in where he outweighed the guy he was fighting??? You know ODL needed IV's because he was so drained??? I'm not making it up.... Freddie will tell u.... It's easier to go up as opposed to down.... You know that right??? Armstrong was going up to meet them not have them come down to meet him.... Other then the divisonal limit there was no weight stipulations on his opponent.... There's ur BIG difference right there....

[joseph5620]

Well technically there's no such thing as a 154lb title. 154 is only the limit you can weight in that respected division which can be in between 148 - 154. People tend to forget that on fight night Marg weighed 163lbs. Pac fought a full fledge MW in that ring.

Yes there is such thing as a 154 title. 154 is the limit. Not 148,49 50,51,52,or 53. Your logic is just ******.

And Maragrito weighing 163 after the weigh in only means he weakened himself to make the forced 150 pound limit.