Is Freddie Roach overrated?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I would honestly rather have Khan with someone like Manny Steward than Roach. All trainers are good fits for certain types of fighters. Roach and Khan don't fit.

[IMDAZED]

He's a great trainer but going by the # of times he's won Trainer of the Year...yeah, he's overrated.

[Pretty Boy32]

Pacquiao doesn't have much of an inside game either. Roach's idea of inside fighting is to stand with your hands by your ears and eat uppercuts.

Khan is better on the inside then Manny in my opinon,
Although Manny doesn't get caught on the inside as much as Khan does...

Khan did well to tie up against Maidana when Maidana had him on *****-street,
Manny nearly got ktfo by Margarito when Tony back him up against the ropes.

[IMDAZED]

Khan is better on the inside then Manny in my opinon,
Although Manny doesn't get caught on the inside as much as Khan does...

Khan did well to tie up against Maidana when Maidana had him on *****-street,
Manny nearly got ktfo by Margarito when Tony back him up against the ropes.

Khan is garbage on the inside IMO. And so is Manny but he's better just based off years of experience at the championship level. The ability to clinch isn't too impressive too me but I see where you're going.

[frosty-g]

roach is a one trick pony type of trainer.
get a guy who is very fast and with good power and capitalise on that in such a way that it is very difficult for an opponent to deal with.
no plan b.
end of.

great? no.
good? yes, he does have a lot of success with fighters that have very specific qualities in abundance.

[Brother Jay]

Its clear from this thread some people overrate Freddy Roach but on the other hand some people grossly underrate Freddy.

To call the guy a "bum" is laughable the guy has given his life and his health to this sport he has had a lot of success and deserves respect he has done a lot for this sport.

If a guy like Freddy Roach can be described as a "bum" what does that make a guy who takes time out of his day just to post **** on an internet forum about him?

This post expresses the very reason that I disliked "On Freddie Roach".

When you really look at what Roach has done, its not that impressive.

A trainer's claim to fame isn't who he's worked with. Trainers work with different guys all the time.

****m Richardson told all of you that he isn't looking for credit because he worked with BHOP and Mosley. He admitted that these men already had their styles and habits put into place. He was just there to oversee training, put together a gameplan and make sure that everything goes smooth.

That was brutal honesty from a man who could have milked the hell out of Hopkins' success at such an advanced age and made it all about himself for the sake of his own promotion.

When you think of GREAT trainers, one should think of a trainer who has either produced a phenom or made such dramatic changes to a fighter that his success is clearly due to those changes.

When I think of recent trainers who embody the former, I think of Floyd Mayweather Sr, Nacho Beristain, Jack Mosley, Virgil Hunter and Gary Russell Sr.

When I think of recent trainers the have the ability to bring about necessary changes, I think of Buddy McGirt, Ronnie Shields, Robert Garcia and Manny Steward(who only has his fighter box one way).

Pacquiao IS Freddie Roach's career. Freddie Roach is not responsible for Pacquiao's ascension, as Manny has not changed his boxing style or elevated his skills. Pac is the same fighter that he has always been, with some polish that doesn't serve to help him when he's fighting ANYTHING but a forward moving plodder.

All of Roach's fighters are flawed the same way:

Lack of defense
Lack of decent in-fighting ability
Lack of ability to adapt during the fight

Roach is trainer of the year because he knows how to pick which matches his fighters will look good in.

Except, nearly all of them have lost recently with the exception of Pacquiao ... and even that's VERY debatable.

This is why the damage control involved highlighting what burdens Roach must work with in an HBO documentary.

The REAL greatest thing about Freddie Roach is the fact that he was a student of Eddie Futch.

Everything else is average at best.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

This post expresses the very reason that I disliked "On Freddie Roach".

When you really look at what Roach has done, its not that impressive.

A trainer's claim to fame isn't who he's worked with. Trainers work with different guys all the time.

****m Richardson told all of you that he isn't looking for credit because he worked with BHOP and Mosley. He admitted that these men already had their styles and habits put into place. He was just there to oversee training, put together a gameplan and make sure that everything goes smooth.

That was brutal honesty from a man who could have milked the hell out of Hopkins' success at such an advanced age and made it all about himself for the sake of his own promotion.

When you think of GREAT trainers, one should think of a trainer who has either produced a phenom or made such dramatic changes to a fighter that his success is clearly due to those changes.

When I think of recent trainers who embody the former, I think of Floyd Mayweather Sr, Nacho Beristain, Jack Mosley, Virgil Hunter and Gary Russell Sr.

When I think of recent trainers the have the ability to bring about necessary changes, I think of Buddy McGirt, Ronnie Shields, Robert Garcia and Manny Steward(who only has his fighter box one way).

Pacquiao IS Freddie Roach's career. Freddie Roach is not responsible for Pacquiao's ascension, as Manny has not changed his boxing style or elevated his skills. Pac is the same fighter that he has always been, with some polish that doesn't serve to help him when he's fighting ANYTHING but a forward moving plodder.

All of Roach's fighters are flawed the same way:

Lack of defense
Lack of decent in-fighting ability
Lack of ability to adapt during the fight

Roach is trainer of the year because he knows how to pick which matches his fighters will look good in.

Except, nearly all of them have lost recently with the exception of Pacquiao ... and even that's VERY debatable.

This is why the damage control involved highlighting what burdens Roach must work with in an HBO documentary.

The REAL greatest thing about Freddie Roach is the fact that he was a student of Eddie Futch.

Everything else is average at best.

No disrespect but as a trainer myself I dissagree.

First off, (as a trainer) I think trainers in general are overrated. I don't mean to say we aren't needed or important but I think you can look at a great talented fighter and some would give 100% credit to the trainer when sometimes it's the fighter who is carrying the trainer.

I equate trainers with scouts on NFL teams, not so much the coach. The coach teaches you how to play but the scout picks the best talent. I feel as though the great trainers are not only great teachers but also have an eye for talent.

I think Roach is as overrated as any trainer when he has a hot fighter in his camp but at the same time, Roach also knows a lot about boxing and he can teach fighters very well. He also doesn't use one style to teach all his fighters, he varies depending on their own style and understands the pro game very well. This is very important.

I have listened to Roach commentate on some fight cards in LA and I can tell you he seems to know more detailed aspects of the game than the way Manny Stewart commentates on HBO.

I think Roach is an excellent trainer but there's a lot of really good trainers out there. The one's that seem to be hot at the moment are the one's with the successful fighters right now. Robert Garcia with Rios, Nacho with JMM, Roach with Pac and Roger with Floyd...

But believe me when I tell you there are a lot of really good trainers out there. It's just hard to train fighters because you need one thing above all else...PATIENCE. You can tell the fighter the perfect instructions and he can go out there and do the opposite of what you just told him. Happens all the time...hahah

[Ged21]

yes he is...i remember watching him train James Tony and in between rounds there would be total silence no communication or telling him what to do. He would just act as the cut man but Tony would basically train himself.

[changuito242]

Yes. Manny, Khan, and Chavez didn't become champions because of Freddie Roach. They became champions because of their promoters. End of story.

[PAC-BOY]

Freddie roach is great trainer and person. Is that overrated?