Is Freddie Roach overrated?

[Pretty Boy32]

That's because he keeps getting hit.

Exactly.

[RubenSonny]

Khan has awful defence, it is literally running away.

[Mr. Philadel]

I'd love it if Khan actually "spoiled" on the inside. But he doesn't. He stands there with his gloves beside his ears and watches punches hit him in the face.

he pisses me off when he does that...smh....Frauddy is a bum ass trainer...brother ****m would sort AK out really nice!!

[pacmanis1]

I'd say he's overrated, but I personally feel that people overrate the name of trainers and underrate what kind of relationship the trainer and boxer have. Mayweather Sr may be a great trainer, but pairing him with Hatton is just idiotic. Garcia may be a great trainer, but would you want to pair him with Broner? Just my two cents. But for the original question yeah. Not that's he's not good but he's not some guy who can make anyone great like some people seem to think.

[Brother Jay]

i don't think khan is intelligent enough to box the way steward would try to make him. he appears to have very little ring intelligence and variety. when throwing blistering combinations then jumping out of the way doesn't work he is stumped basically.
i think if anything he has overachieved by being with roach. and that is the beauty of roach- he can make certain fighters overachieve big time, with a little cute matchmaking too of course. but it is important to work with a fighter's strengths as well so fair play, i just don't see 'great' as being quite appropiate.

I gotta disagree here, frosty. Steward IMO is just as overrated as Roach. Steward can only teach a fighter to box ONE WAY. he did it to Hearns. He did it to Lewis. He did it to both Klitschkos. He tried to do it to Chad Dawson and Miguel Cotto.

All Stewart teaches is to stay behind a jab and wait until your opponent get so frustrated that he begins to make big mistakes. Lennox was the epitome of this boring style. The same style that saw him knocked out with hail mary punches from Rahman and McCall. Same happened to Wlad against Purity, Sanders and Brewster. Same happened to Hearns when he stopped jabbing against Hagler.

Let us all not forget how he tried to civilize Naseem Hamed. We all know how that turned out.

giving your life to something is admirable (the health bit we can and should sympathise about but it's not something to be commended and only serves to tarnish the image of boxing as a brutal sport without skill).
however neither of these factors mean that someone deserves such recognition. i know a good number of boxers and coaches who have dedicated themselves to boxing but to all intents and purposes are bums. it's not a nice thing to say and i don't think it should be said but equally i don't see that they automatically qualify for a great level of status.
(i appreciate you were just responding to the fact that someone called roach a bum and my post is not arguing with you with your opinion on that)

I couldn't agree more with ^^^

VERY OVERRATED!

Great LEGENDARY Trainers Build Fighters from the Ground Up, they don't just revive fighters career after they suffer a loss

I have respect for Roach, no question he is a Good Trainer and a Hall of Fame Trainer but no ***in way he is "THE GREATEST TRAINER" and who ever think so clearly only been watching boxing for the last 2-3 years

do your ***in homework on the sport you claim you love and stop listening to these BULL**** reports who are just as clueless as you are and is only Writing and Posting stuff you want to hear

Boxing Writers Today are just as bad for the sport as the damn Greedy Promoters and the Spineless fighters who hide behind their Promoters

This ^^^ is gospel truth!!!

No more overrated then Roger and Floyd SR.
You do the math....

I can't honestly say that Roger has done much. Floyd Sr however, is responsible for everything that Floyd is. Anyone telling you different might as well punch themselves in the mouth. Floyd's style IS his father's style with improvements.

To say that Floyd Sr is overrated for creating and training this era's best and greatest boxer is just proclaiming a deep rooted love with ******ity.

Some of you peasants might have it twisted, but the truth has always been that there would be no Pacquiao passed Marquez had Floyd not taken time off.

When weighing which trainer is overrated, its important to understand the value of that which they have produced.

Mayweather has ALWAYS been elite.

Pacquiao became an heir apparent after Mayweather's absence left a vacuum in boxing that needed to be filled. Arum saw an opportunity and took it.

Since then the media has only counted Pacquiao's success since beating Barrera. They have totally not factored in him padding his record with 40 fights against guys none of you have ever heard of.

When calculating the value of each fighters career, its only fair to examine when each man had taken his career to the top.

Mayweather did so in his 18th fight and has never lost since.

Pacquiao did so in his 41st fight and has been knocked out twice, outboxed by one dimensional Morales, and has been exposed three times by Marquez.

Is there really even an argument?

Sr had the ability to fight his way to the top and face one of the greatest WW champions of all time, Sugar Ray Leonard. He used his ability, style and experienced and poured it into his son and protege, Floyd Jr.

Freddie Roach was a bum as a boxer and picked up what he knows how to implement from the greatest trainer of all time, but just because Futch was great doesn't mean that Roach is great. Hell, Cus DD'Amato was a great trainer but I don't recall ever seeing anyone trying to lay greatness of Teddy Atlas' shoulders.

Besides, Pacquiao is special because he is viewed as a "small guy" beating up on "giants" who on fight night wind up being smaller than Pacquiao himself.

Without the help of that special little piece of hype, the legend of the Pacman fizzles out into a guy who used a few advantages to give fans exciting fights against fighters who used to be at the top.

[GabrielLogan]

Yes he is overrated

[wizard king]

Nacho good examble of a very good trainer. nacho would take a cab driver and turn them into a world champ from scratch has roach ever done that hell no and roach is highly overrated.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

I think Freddie is a good coach and not really that overrated. The fighter has to perform too. Manny hasn't looked good lately, but looked great in the past. Same with Khan.

[Tamis!]

that still doesn't mean he's not overrated..... and his fighters really aren't known for their adaptive skills.

I was answering something else with Bush.

Freddie Roach skills as trainer are declining prolly coz of age and his degenerative disease, but that doesn't take away the fact he's still a good trainer.